2Nama-sankirtana preached by Maha Visnu or Lord CaitanyaHimself?

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In a message dated Mon, 26 Jul 1999 10:55:09 AM Eastern Daylight Time, "COM:

Nayana-ranjana (das) (BBT Bombay - IN)" <Nayana-ranjana (AT) bbt (DOT) se> writes:

 

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> > It is interesting to note, though, that the concept of choosing one's

> > svarupa or getting from a teacher, advocated by some vaisnava groups as

> > was mentioned above, seems to be well nourished by the idea that the

> > conditioned living entities have never been in their relations with Krsna

> > in the spiritual world and therefore do not have their svarupa yet. To my

> > understanding, these two theories go hand in hand and breed one another,

> > do not they?

>

> Exactly and that is why to stop this sahajiya undercurrent Srila Prabhupada

> said that both may be true, about the origin of the jiva. So we have to

> accept Prabhupada literally.

 

Yes, this is interesting. But this need not be the case either, if both the

conditioned and liberated existences are seen as going on simulteneously. In

his BTG essay (rsdtm.com), Ravindrasvarupa Prabhu mentions that both exist

simultaneously in different time frames. There is also Jiva Gosvami on Srimad

Bhagavatam 11.11.3:

vastuto nitya-mukto'pi pratitito 'nadi-baddha

iti yugapad ubhayatvam ghatata ity arthah.

"Simultaneously, both are transpiring: the jiva is eternally liberated in

substantive form and is bound without beginning".

In this explanation, liberation is the revelation of that already existing

form(s) of the soul, and not the sahjiya creation of a new one, additionally

the idea of no fall is also preserved.

 

 

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Gerald Surya