Taking Srila Prabhupada Straight

[Guest guest]

At 12:09 -0800 9/18/99, WWW: Krishna Susarla (Dallas TX - USA) wrote:

>

> I think a discussion on the

>relevant philosophical points is warranted, provided everyone involved can

>participate in such a discussion without labeling everyone else as insincere,

>rascal, mayavadi, etc.

 

Don't forget "envious" and "feminist". :-) Maybe we could come up with a

list of "labels non grata" for this conference? How refreshing it would

be, simply to focus on the issues.

 

Ys,

Madhusudani dasi

[Guest guest]

At 10:00 -0800 9/19/99, COM: Mundita Mastaka (das) (NE-BBT Russian) wrote:

>

>Everybody has his own problems, but why is it necessarily a problem to

>discuss the philosophy?

 

It's not.

 

>Or should I perhaps have subtracted Varnasrama

>conference from my comment?

 

Not as far as I'm concerned. This is right along the lines of many of our

previous texts and there have been *many*, *many* texts that have been

*way* out there, making yours seem positively mainstream. As long as we

refrain from insults and put-downs, I can't think of many topics (if any)

that would be taboo here.

 

Ys,

Madhusudani dasi

[Guest guest]

At 10:00 -0800 9/19/99, COM: Mundita Mastaka (das) (NE-BBT Russian) wrote:

>

>Everybody has his own problems, but why is it necessarily a problem to

>discuss the philosophy?

 

It's not.

 

>Or should I perhaps have subtracted Varnasrama

>conference from my comment?

 

Not as far as I'm concerned. This is right along the lines of many of our

previous texts and there have been *many*, *many* texts that have been

*way* out there, making yours seem positively mainstream. As long as we

refrain from insults and put-downs, I can't think of many topics (if any)

that would be taboo here.

 

Ys,

Madhusudani dasi

[Guest guest]

At 10:00 -0800 9/19/99, COM: Mundita Mastaka (das) (NE-BBT Russian) wrote:

>

>Everybody has his own problems, but why is it necessarily a problem to

>discuss the philosophy?

 

It's not.

 

>Or should I perhaps have subtracted Varnasrama

>conference from my comment?

 

Not as far as I'm concerned. This is right along the lines of many of our

previous texts and there have been *many*, *many* texts that have been

*way* out there, making yours seem positively mainstream. As long as we

refrain from insults and put-downs, I can't think of many topics (if any)

that would be taboo here.

 

Ys,

Madhusudani dasi

[Guest guest]

>It's like discussing the socialogical roots of poverty while

>someone is staving to death in front of you.

 

Why not do both? Feeding someone who is starving is a necessity from a

humanitarian standpoint. However, the effects of one feeding won't last

long. We also need to develop long term plans to decrease poverty and

hunger, don't you think?

 

Ys,

Madhusudani dasi

[Guest guest]

>It's like discussing the socialogical roots of poverty while

>someone is staving to death in front of you.

 

Why not do both? Feeding someone who is starving is a necessity from a

humanitarian standpoint. However, the effects of one feeding won't last

long. We also need to develop long term plans to decrease poverty and

hunger, don't you think?

 

Ys,

Madhusudani dasi

[Guest guest]

>It's like discussing the socialogical roots of poverty while

>someone is staving to death in front of you.

 

Why not do both? Feeding someone who is starving is a necessity from a

humanitarian standpoint. However, the effects of one feeding won't last

long. We also need to develop long term plans to decrease poverty and

hunger, don't you think?

 

Ys,

Madhusudani dasi

[Guest guest]

"COM: Madhusudani Radha (dd) JPS (Mill Valley - USA)" wrote:

 

> [Text 2639830 from COM]

>

> >It's like discussing the socialogical roots of poverty while

> >someone is staving to death in front of you.

>

> Why not do both? Feeding someone who is starving is a necessity from a

> humanitarian standpoint. However, the effects of one feeding won't last

> long. We also need to develop long term plans to decrease poverty and

> hunger, don't you think?

>

> Ys,

> Madhusudani dasi

 

The spiritual master encourages distribution of prasadam (remnants of

Krsna's food) to the public. Ours is not a dry philosophy -- simply talk and

go away. No. We distribute prasadam, very sumptuous prasadam. In every

temple, we offer prasadam to anyone who comes. In each and every temple we

already have from fifty to two hundred devotees, and outsiders also come and

take prasadam. So prasadam distribution is another symptom of the genuine

spiritual master.

 

>>> Ref. VedaBase => The Bona Fide Spiritual Master

 

 

 

"...not a dry philosophy -- simply talk and go away" The very words I was

groping for. Yes, let's decrease poverty and hunger.

[Guest guest]

"COM: Madhusudani Radha (dd) JPS (Mill Valley - USA)" wrote:

 

> [Text 2639830 from COM]

>

> >It's like discussing the socialogical roots of poverty while

> >someone is staving to death in front of you.

>

> Why not do both? Feeding someone who is starving is a necessity from a

> humanitarian standpoint. However, the effects of one feeding won't last

> long. We also need to develop long term plans to decrease poverty and

> hunger, don't you think?

>

> Ys,

> Madhusudani dasi

 

The spiritual master encourages distribution of prasadam (remnants of

Krsna's food) to the public. Ours is not a dry philosophy -- simply talk and

go away. No. We distribute prasadam, very sumptuous prasadam. In every

temple, we offer prasadam to anyone who comes. In each and every temple we

already have from fifty to two hundred devotees, and outsiders also come and

take prasadam. So prasadam distribution is another symptom of the genuine

spiritual master.

 

>>> Ref. VedaBase => The Bona Fide Spiritual Master

 

 

 

"...not a dry philosophy -- simply talk and go away" The very words I was

groping for. Yes, let's decrease poverty and hunger.

[Guest guest]

"COM: Madhusudani Radha (dd) JPS (Mill Valley - USA)" wrote:

 

> [Text 2639830 from COM]

>

> >It's like discussing the socialogical roots of poverty while

> >someone is staving to death in front of you.

>

> Why not do both? Feeding someone who is starving is a necessity from a

> humanitarian standpoint. However, the effects of one feeding won't last

> long. We also need to develop long term plans to decrease poverty and

> hunger, don't you think?

>

> Ys,

> Madhusudani dasi

 

The spiritual master encourages distribution of prasadam (remnants of

Krsna's food) to the public. Ours is not a dry philosophy -- simply talk and

go away. No. We distribute prasadam, very sumptuous prasadam. In every

temple, we offer prasadam to anyone who comes. In each and every temple we

already have from fifty to two hundred devotees, and outsiders also come and

take prasadam. So prasadam distribution is another symptom of the genuine

spiritual master.

 

>>> Ref. VedaBase => The Bona Fide Spiritual Master

 

 

 

"...not a dry philosophy -- simply talk and go away" The very words I was

groping for. Yes, let's decrease poverty and hunger.

[Guest guest]

Madhava.Gosh wrote:

>"...not a dry philosophy -- simply talk and go away" The very words I was

>groping for. Yes, let's decrease poverty and hunger.

 

Sounds great. Now where do we start? Have any of the KC solutions made a

dent - *anywhere*?

 

Ys,

Madhusudani dasi

[Guest guest]

Madhava.Gosh wrote:

>"...not a dry philosophy -- simply talk and go away" The very words I was

>groping for. Yes, let's decrease poverty and hunger.

 

Sounds great. Now where do we start? Have any of the KC solutions made a

dent - *anywhere*?

 

Ys,

Madhusudani dasi

[Guest guest]

Madhava.Gosh wrote:

>"...not a dry philosophy -- simply talk and go away" The very words I was

>groping for. Yes, let's decrease poverty and hunger.

 

Sounds great. Now where do we start? Have any of the KC solutions made a

dent - *anywhere*?

 

Ys,

Madhusudani dasi

[Guest guest]

On 21 Sep 1999, Sridhari dd wrote:

> Krsna katha means speaking only Krsna pastimes and sastras.

 

 

In Hari-bhakti-vilasa, Srila Sanatana Goswami cautions us:

 

avaisnava mukhodgirnam putam hari-kathamrtam

sravanam naiva kartavyam sarpocchista yatha payah

 

Topics about the Lord (Krsna-katha) are just like nectar, but if one hears

from someone who is *avaisnava*, not behaving as a proper Vaisnava, then such

talks will have a poisonous effect. If we hear so-called philosophy that is

tainted with *sadhu-ninda* -- with the purpose of specifically defaming a

great soul -- then that "philosophy" will poison our spiritual life.

 

Sadhu-ninda sneaks in very subtly, but it has powerfully contaminating

effects. I have been in ISKCON since 1972 (and recently remain somewhat

affiliated), before any of these anti-Gaudiya sentiments or controversies

erupted, and I experienced the Gaudiya Math history firsthand as it has

evolved from both sides of the fence:

 

- I was there in NY when Rupanuga Prabhu received the oft-quoted letter from

Srila Prabhupada in 1974. This letter is the most widely quoted and

misunderstood document in ISKCON, second only to the May 9th, 1977

"henceforward" letter. (BTW, Rupanuga fell from sannyasa shortly after that.

That controversial letter certainly didn't seem to raise his devotional mood.

To this day, he remains critical of the Gauidya Math, unfortunately.)

 

- I have witnessed the vicious fatricidal exchanges that split ISKCON with

"the other side of the Ganga" (Srila BR Sridhara Maharaja's Math) and watched

with dismay as I saw almost one-third of my godbrothers and hundreds of others

leave ISKCON to "cross the river" over the years.

 

- As faithful "GBC man" I was indroctrinated like everyone else in ISKCON by

the systematic slander propagated by the GBC leadership against the Gaudiya

Math, and I believed, like Bhagavata Purana, that it was the truth. Only years

later did I discover these GBC position papers to be distortions and

half-truths.

 

- As a manager and acting temple president myself, I "preached" aparadha and

turned away sincere souls who happened to be inspired by Srila BR Sridhara

Maharaja. I personally blasphemed him to others.

 

But I had to live with debilitating effects of this socially-induced poison

(like the Jonestown Kool-aid in Guyana) and gradually lost taste for hearing

and chanting. I left the asram and the direct service of Srila Prabhupada's

mission to pursue an occupational role outside ISKCON.

 

Subsequently, however, due to the purifying influence of Narayan Maharaja's

association and other Gaudiya saints, I have begun to realize the seriousness

of my offenses against Srila Sridhara Maharaja, and I am now deeply sorry and

full of remorse for my uncouth atttitudes, words and actions. The desire for

performing sincere devotional service is arising slowly again in my heart.

 

For its part, the GBC, while it offered some faint written apology in 1987,

never actually communciated them to Srila Sridhara Maharaja, let alone have

they purged these sinister thoughts and feelings from the ISKCON body and its

philosophy. Instead, the GBC continues in the same modus operandi of

dishonoring Gaudiya saints as it always has (1977 to the present), both by

aggressive acts and poisonous words.

 

Everyone should therefore know that Ravindra Svarupa's letter "Taking Srila

Prabhupada Straight" is the latest version of this anomalous condition.

Feeling joy over such innuendo, slander of saints, is the sign of our own

perversity.

 

Consequently, before blindly accepting anything in the name of "Krsna-katha",

we must have the philosophical scrutiny to discern whether something is bona

fide nectar or "milk mixed with poison" (*sarpocchista yatha payah*).

 

In conclusion, I agree with Sridhari didi that such postings as initiated this

topic, "Taking Srila Prabhupada Straight", should have never been posted.

That was the original problem.

 

Why didn't anyone complain back then?

 

We accept poison and drink it willingly in the name of Krsna-katha, but then

once afflicted by the poison, we don't care to hear about the actual contents

of what we have ingested, what to speak of take the antidote. Is this our

ISKCON standard for Krsna-katha, whatever is "ISKCON approved" must be good?

"Drink up, fellows! Don't worry about tomorrow."

 

Let's address the root of the problem, please, without any duplicity or

politics. The original posting by Harsi Prabhu of Ravindra's letter is the

source of the 'contamination.'

 

It is the duty and responsibility for everyone of us to help each other in our

progressive development in Krsna consciousness. That is the meaning of

'association.' Our leaders are not beyond the need for association and

correction. After the repeated falldowns of our most capable and prominent GBC

leaders, haven't we learned that yet?

 

We have to know what is the Krsna conscious standard ourselves, and not

naively accept whatever is handed down to us from "the seat of authority" (*ex

cathedra*), the GBC. We need to hear the unalloyed nectar from pure

Vaisnavas, suddha-bhaktas. Managerial authority (GBC) is not automatically

equatable with spiritual advancement, I am sorry to say.

I was also there in NY when Prabhupada wrote to Madhuvisa in 1977 when he was

still a sannyasi and GBC, "Yes, GBC should be *siksa-guru*, but that is not a

title. You must actually become qualified." (Sadly, Madhuvisa fell from

sannyasa shortly after that.)

 

As long as we are contaminated by *sadhu-ninda*, offending highly advanced

senior Vaisnavas, we will never become properly qualified, whoever we are.

The story of Devananda Pandita, a personal associate of Caitanya Mahaprabhu,

is highly instructive in this regard. The story is there in in Caitanya

Bhagavata.

 

Does anyone have Caitanya Bhagavata on CD who can post it? Now that would be

bona fide Krsna-katha.

 

This is "taking Prabhupada straight." Read Prabhupada's books and all bona

fide bhakti-sastras. Personally associate with highly advanced souls. Then we

can understand what the gold standard of pure krsna-katha is.

 

Don't simply take my word for it. Because as you can all probably understand,

I am still struggling to get free from offenses as well.

 

Please forgive for my strong words, but the truth must be spoken inasmuch as

we have the ability to say anything from our own realization. We should

refrain from criticizing any devotee. But when the situation calls for it, we

have to call a spade a spade. But we hate the 'sin' -- the specific

behavior -- not the sinner.

 

Ravindra-svarupa Prabhu is certainly a great soul, far more qualified than

myself in so many ways, performing such important duties for Prabhupada's

mission. I sincerely wish him well.

 

Offending superior devotees, however, goes beyond the scope of his authority,

especially when, by his own admission, he doesn't know whom he's talking

about. With sufficient higher association of Gaudiya saints, I am sure

Ravindra Svarupa Prabhu and the others will understand the gravity of their

mistakes. Then the renewed flow of all-cleansing nectar, pure Krsna-katha,

will dissipate the current poisonous state and invigorate us all.

 

ceto darpana marjanam bhava maha-davagni-nirvapanam

sreyo kairava candrikavataranam vidya-vadhu-jivanam

.... sarvatma-snapanam

parama vijayate sri-krsna sankirtanam!

 

The key, however, is to remain free from committing offenses, of

which *sadhu-ninda* is the most heinous, infectious and difficult to rid

oneself of.

 

Humbly (keenly aware of my own shortcomings and offenses),

 

I offer my pranams (deep respects) to all my gentle readers.

 

Srila dasa

[Guest guest]

> these anti-Gaudiya sentiments or controversies

>erupted, and I experienced the Gaudiya Math history firsthand as it has

>evolved from both sides of the fence:

 

Right. Spiritual life is not disembodied.

In this world, we find many people, in all sorts of places, claiming to be

into spirituality (and actually practicing in many cases). Among Vaisnavas,

we find sampradayas, paramparas, mathas, movements, individual devotees,

etc.

ISKCON is one institution, the Gaudiya Matha is one, or more,

institution(s), and Narayan Maharaja is still another courtyard with its

own fences. Or are we to believe that everything, and everyone, is "one"

with no differentiation or diversity?

Now, if fences are there as a fact of life... maybe there are also doors?

Why try to tear down the fence or sneak in the back door instead of coming

in the front door and greeting the occupants?

(Did you ever run into any of those people in the Bay Area who try their

best to be "culture-sensititve"people?)

 

>Subsequently, however, due to the purifying influence of Narayan Maharaja's

>association and other Gaudiya saints, I have begun to realize the seriousness

>of my offenses against Srila Sridhara Maharaja,

 

That's fine, Srila. Thank you for sharing your realizations with us.

One question, though: if that worked for you, does that mean it will work

the same for everyone else in ISKCON?

atmavan manyate jagat

Do you mean to say that every devotee in ISKCON is in a state of

sadhu-ninda unless they worship Narayan Maharaja as their personal and

institutional acharya?

 

your servant,

Kunti dd

[Guest guest]

"COM: Madhusudani Radha (dd) JPS (Mill Valley - USA)" wrote:

 

> [Text 2641210 from COM]

>

> Madhava.Gosh wrote:

> >"...not a dry philosophy -- simply talk and go away" The very words I was

> >groping for. Yes, let's decrease poverty and hunger.

>

> Sounds great. Now where do we start? Have any of the KC solutions made a

> dent - *anywhere*?

>

> Ys,

> Madhusudani dasi

 

I have taken pause, waiting to see the outpouring of stories.

 

Well, since that didn't happen, there have been some Food For Life programs

that have been pretty successsful, but in the sense of

 

If you give a man potatoes gauranga you feed him for a day.

If you teach a man to grow potatoes, you feed him for a lifetime.

If you teach a man to grow potatoes and offer them with love to Krsna, you

feed him for eternity.

 

We haven't made great strides.

[Guest guest]

"COM: Madhusudani Radha (dd) JPS (Mill Valley - USA)" wrote:

 

> [Text 2641210 from COM]

>

> Madhava.Gosh wrote:

> >"...not a dry philosophy -- simply talk and go away" The very words I was

> >groping for. Yes, let's decrease poverty and hunger.

>

> Sounds great. Now where do we start? Have any of the KC solutions made a

> dent - *anywhere*?

>

> Ys,

> Madhusudani dasi

 

I have taken pause, waiting to see the outpouring of stories.

 

Well, since that didn't happen, there have been some Food For Life programs

that have been pretty successsful, but in the sense of

 

If you give a man potatoes gauranga you feed him for a day.

If you teach a man to grow potatoes, you feed him for a lifetime.

If you teach a man to grow potatoes and offer them with love to Krsna, you

feed him for eternity.

 

We haven't made great strides.

[Guest guest]

> - As faithful "GBC man" I was indroctrinated like everyone else in ISKCON

> by the systematic slander propagated by the GBC leadership against the

> Gaudiya Math, and I believed, like Bhagavata Purana, that it was the

> truth. Only years later did I discover these GBC position papers to be

> distortions and half-truths.

 

Krsna-katha conference is not definitely the place for these exchanges.

Everything can be Krsna-katha, even speaking of motorcars, but this forum is

not the place por political and party talks.

 

But I have interest in continuing with the debate. I want to know

particularly how do you realize that "these GBC position papers to be

distortions and half-truths". If you have better arguments, please give

them. Counteract RSV letter and the GBC position papers with the right view,

give us the right perspective to understand Srila Prabhupada´s letter to

Rupanuga. Do it if you have the arguments, the knowledge and the

realization. If not, I repeat please don´t come to insult our leaders and

gurus and to canvasse for NM in ISKCON. Of course, when I ask for better

arguments I don´t means to continue repeating: "Offense, offense!". Do you

have arguments or not?

 

Ys

Bhagavata-Purana Dasa

 

PS.

Maybe Varnasrama-Development would be a better place.

[Guest guest]

Srila Das wrote:

> these anti-Gaudiya sentiments or controversies

>erupted, and I experienced the Gaudiya Math history firsthand as it has

>evolved from both sides of the fence:

 

Right. Spiritual life is not disembodied.

In this world, we find many people, in all sorts of places, claiming to be

into spirituality (and actually practicing in many cases). Among Vaisnavas, we

find sampradayas, paramparas, mathas, movements, individual devotees, etc.

ISKCON is one institution, the Gaudiya Matha is one, or more, institution(s),

and Narayan Maharaja is still another courtyard with its own fences. Or are we

to believe that everything, and everyone, is "one" with no differentiation or

diversity?

Now, if fences are there as a fact of life... maybe there are also doors? Why

try to tear down the fence or sneak in the back door instead of coming in the

front door and greeting the occupants?

(Did you ever run into any of those people in the Bay Area who try their best

to be "culture-sensititve"persons?)

 

>Subsequently, however, due to the purifying influence of Narayan Maharaja's

>association and other Gaudiya saints, I have begun to realize the seriousness

>of my offenses against Srila Sridhara Maharaja,

 

That's fine, Srila. Thank you for sharing your realizations with us.

One question, though: if that worked for you, does that mean it will work the

same for everyone else in ISKCON?

atmavan manyate jagat

Do you mean to say that every devotee in ISKCON is, by default, in a state of

sadhu-ninda untill they worship Narayan Maharaja as their personal and

institutional acharya?

 

your servant,

Kunti dd

[Guest guest]

Srila Das wrote:

> these anti-Gaudiya sentiments or controversies

>erupted, and I experienced the Gaudiya Math history firsthand as it has

>evolved from both sides of the fence:

 

Right. Spiritual life is not disembodied.

In this world, we find many people, in all sorts of places, claiming to be

into spirituality (and actually practicing in many cases). Among Vaisnavas, we

find sampradayas, paramparas, mathas, movements, individual devotees, etc.

ISKCON is one institution, the Gaudiya Matha is one, or more, institution(s),

and Narayan Maharaja is still another courtyard with its own fences. Or are we

to believe that everything, and everyone, is "one" with no differentiation or

diversity?

Now, if fences are there as a fact of life... maybe there are also doors? Why

try to tear down the fence or sneak in the back door instead of coming in the

front door and greeting the occupants?

(Did you ever run into any of those people in the Bay Area who try their best

to be "culture-sensititve"persons?)

 

>Subsequently, however, due to the purifying influence of Narayan Maharaja's

>association and other Gaudiya saints, I have begun to realize the seriousness

>of my offenses against Srila Sridhara Maharaja,

 

That's fine, Srila. Thank you for sharing your realizations with us.

One question, though: if that worked for you, does that mean it will work the

same for everyone else in ISKCON?

atmavan manyate jagat

Do you mean to say that every devotee in ISKCON is, by default, in a state of

sadhu-ninda untill they worship Narayan Maharaja as their personal and

institutional acharya?

 

your servant,

Kunti dd

[Guest guest]

On 22 Sep 1999, Kunti dd wrote:

 

 

> >Subsequently, however, due to the purifying influence of Narayan

Maharaja's association and other Gaudiya saints, I have begun to realize

the seriousness of my offenses against Srila Sridhara Maharaja,

>

> That's fine, Srila. Thank you for sharing your realizations with us.

> One question, though: if that worked for you, does that mean it will

work the same for everyone else in ISKCON?

>

 

 

 

 

Does this process also work with regards to offenses made to one's own

godbrothers?

[Guest guest]

On 22 Sep 1999, Kunti dd wrote:

 

 

> >Subsequently, however, due to the purifying influence of Narayan

Maharaja's association and other Gaudiya saints, I have begun to realize

the seriousness of my offenses against Srila Sridhara Maharaja,

>

> That's fine, Srila. Thank you for sharing your realizations with us.

> One question, though: if that worked for you, does that mean it will

work the same for everyone else in ISKCON?

>

 

 

 

 

Does this process also work with regards to offenses made to one's own

godbrothers?

[Guest guest]

On 22 Sep 1999, Sthita-dhi-muni Dasa wrote:

> Does this process also work with regards to offenses made to one's own

> godbrothers?

 

Do you have some realizations to offer?

 

The story of Devananda Pandit in Caitanya Bhagavata is very instructive.

Devananda Pandit [viz, big GBC managers] was so proud of his erudition as a

devotee and speaker of the Bhagavata that he committed a great offense to

Srivas Thakura by having him dragged out of the assembly [viz ISKCON] when he

was in trance.

 

It was only by the special mercy of a mahabhagavata, Vakresvara Pandit, that

Devananda Pandit could realize the extent of his false pride as a so-called

accomplished devotee, his offense to Srivasa Thakura and his ignorance

regarding the supreme value of associating with pure Vaisnavas. Because of

being blessed by the mercy of Vakresvara Pandit, Mahaprabhu was able to bestow

his full mercy upon Devananda Pandit.

 

 

Dasanudasa,

 

Srila dasa

[Guest guest]

On 22 Sep 1999, Sthita-dhi-muni Dasa wrote:

> Does this process also work with regards to offenses made to one's own

> godbrothers?

 

Do you have some realizations to offer?

 

The story of Devananda Pandit in Caitanya Bhagavata is very instructive.

Devananda Pandit [viz, big GBC managers] was so proud of his erudition as a

devotee and speaker of the Bhagavata that he committed a great offense to

Srivas Thakura by having him dragged out of the assembly [viz ISKCON] when he

was in trance.

 

It was only by the special mercy of a mahabhagavata, Vakresvara Pandit, that

Devananda Pandit could realize the extent of his false pride as a so-called

accomplished devotee, his offense to Srivasa Thakura and his ignorance

regarding the supreme value of associating with pure Vaisnavas. Because of

being blessed by the mercy of Vakresvara Pandit, Mahaprabhu was able to bestow

his full mercy upon Devananda Pandit.

 

 

Dasanudasa,

 

Srila dasa

[Guest guest]

On 22 Sep 1999, Srila Dasa wrote:

 

> On 22 Sep 1999, Sthita-dhi-muni Dasa wrote:

> > Does this process also work with regards to offenses made to one's own

godbrothers?

>

> Do you have some realizations to offer?

>

 

 

My only realization is that I try to offend everyone equally. It is maya to

discriminate based simply on sense gratification.