Golden Age: 10,000 Years

[Guest guest]

Allen Ginsberg: Do you think of this in terms of a historical event that

will occur in the lifetime of your disciples?

Prabhupäda: No. This will happen at least 400,000’s of years after, at

least. So by that time...

Allen Ginsberg: They will go down, down, down for 400,000 years?

Prabhupäda: Yes. So at that time my disciples will be with Kåñëa. (laughter)

Devotees: Haribol!

Prabhupäda: And those who will not follow them, they will see the fun, how

they are being killed. (laughter)

Allen Ginsberg: 400,000 years. Will people still be chanting Hare Kåñëa in

400,000...

Prabhupäda: No. Hare Kåñëa will be finished within ten thousand years. There

will be no more Hare Kåñëa.

Allen Ginsberg: Ah. So what will be left?

Prabhupäda: Nothing. Left will be I’ll kill you and eat you, and you shall

kill me. You shall eat me. That will be left.

Allen Ginsberg: After ten thousand years?

Prabhupäda: Yes. There will be no grain, no milk, no sugar, no fruit. So I

have to eat you, and you will have to eat me. Full facility for meat-eating.

(laughter) Full facility. Kåñëa is very kind. He’ll give you facility: “All

right. Why cows and calves? You take your own son. Yes. Eat nicely.” Just

like serpents, snakes, they eat their own offsprings, tigers. So this will

happen.

Allen Ginsberg: Kali eats her own...

Prabhupäda: Yes. And there will be no brain to understand, no preacher,

nothing else. Go. Go to, to the dog. And then Kåñëa will come: “All right,

let me kill you so that you are saved.” So...

Allen Ginsberg: But you see it as actually a historical thing of ten

thousand years for the chanting, of the diminishing chanting of...

Prabhupäda: Yes. These are...

Allen Ginsberg: Well, then do you think more people will chant Hare Kåñëa or

fewer?

Prabhupäda: Oh, yes. More people. Now it will increase.

Allen Ginsberg: Until?

Prabhupäda: Up to ten thousand years.

Allen Ginsberg: And then?

Prabhupäda: Then diminish.

Allen Ginsberg: So what is the purpose of right now, a world increase...

Prabhupäda: People will take advantage of this up to ten thousand years.

Then they will...

Allen Ginsberg: So this is like the last rope, the last gasp.

Prabhupäda: (laughs) Yes. So the sooner we take to shelter, shelter of Kåñëa

consciousness, is better.

Allen Ginsberg: Well, then, according to Vedic theory, when did this yuga

begin? According to this Vedic theory... Or... This is çästra?

Prabhupäda: Yes.

Allen Ginsberg: When did this yuga...?

Prabhupäda: Begin from this Caitanya Mahäprabhu. He introduced five hundred

years ago, and it will continue now.

Hayagréva: Kali-yuga.

Prabhupäda: Kali-yuga has begun five thousand years ago.

Allen Ginsberg: Began five thousand years ago.

Kértanänanda: But this wave within Kali-yuga, in which Hare Kåñëa increases

and then diminishes, is about ten thousand years and that began five hundred

years ago.

Prabhupäda: Kali-yuga, the duration of life of Kali-yuga is 432,000’s of

years. Out of that, we have passed five thousand years. There is balance,

427,000’s of years. Out of that, ten thousand years is nothing.

Allen Ginsberg: Where is all this?

Prabhupäda: Vedic literature.

Allen Ginsberg: What...?

Prabhupäda: Padma Puräëa, Puräëas.

 

 

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