quotes about women

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Dear Sita Mataji,

PAMHO AGTSP

 

->the wife of a brahmana, then she is called brahmani, but she's not offered

->brahminical culture. She remains as sudra. So therefore a strict brahmana

 

In ISKCON Prabhupada have made a system where he gave all privileges and

status of brahmana to a lady devotees who follow his instructions. Is some

prohindu or BJP people don't like it what can be done?

 

But even in India there are brahminis who have a sacred tread (unlike the

Prabhupadas system in ISKCON).

 

->Because in India, according to the caste system, or varnasrama-dharma, the

->brahmana and ksatriyas are considered to be the highest in the society,

->and the vaisyas, a little less than them, and sudras, they are not taken

->into account. In the similarly, woman class, they are taken as sudra,

 

I hope this and other quotes of this type that talk about mundane VA will

never be applied in ISKCON. As if by birth/body one can be discriminated.

 

I'm trying to expose the idea (false) of that most (all) of the population

are sudras therefore most of the devotees are sudras. Also because one is

black (or you didn't pass his 'sudra test') you should seat on the back of

the bus. Even when talking about ksatriyas in ISKCON he would say 'Let him

remain a ksatriya' implying that there is a progress of the different

varnas. "Like filling a glass." - said Madhava Ghosh Prabhu.

 

->And who are ordinary class of men? Now, stri-sudra-dvija-bandhu. Stri,

->woman class, are taken as less intelligent. It is not partiality; it is

 

And ones who took to KC are most intelligent. Again mundane VA quote.

 

Srila Prabhupada in his book write:

 

Teachings of Queen Kunti:

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Women, sudras, and vaisyas are ordinarily regarded as less intelligent, but

if one takes to Krsna consciousness one is the most intelligent, as stated

in the Caitanya-caritamrta krsna yei bhaje sei bada catura.

 

And Caitanya Mahaprabhu says:

 

ei rupe brahmanda bhramite kona bhagyavan jiva

guru-krsna-prasade paya bhakti-lata-bija

 

" Among all the living entities wandering throughout the universe,

one who is very fortunate receives, by the mercy of the spiritual

master and the mercy of Krsna, the seed of devotional service." (Cc.

Madhya 19.151) The Krsna consciousness movement does not consist of

wretched, unfortunate men. No. It consists of the most fortunate.

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One who has taken to Krsna consciousness is to be considered the most

fortunate because he has found the way to act so that his life will be

perfect. One who is Krsna conscious and discharging his duties nicely

is the most fortunate and the most perfect. This is humbly stated here

by Kuntidevi.

 

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->Striyah sudrAs tatha vaisyah, including woman and sudras and vaisyas, they

->are considered as less intelligent. They are considered as less

->intelligent. Therefore, according to Vedic system, a boy born in a

 

If someone whom some untrained and uneducated ksatriya will designate as a

sudra/vaisya/woman (on the basis of the employment, type of body, tests,

mistake, misinterpretation of Prabhupada etc) will read this passage from

Conversations what he should think?

 

->Philadelphia, July 11, 1975

->

->Artificially, to make man and woman equal, that may be artificially your

->sentiment, but actually it is not the fact.

 

In the same way vaisyas and ksatriyas are not equal. However some devotees

who think themself to be 'ksatriyas' are actually vaisyas (it is becoming a

very common mistake).

 

 

->Prabhupäda: My opinion is already there according to the... They should be

->chaste, faithful to husband. Little literary knowledge, they can read.

->That's all. Not very much.

 

It look like most of Western girls don't like this 'opinion' of our

spiritual master. However this is a quote that talks specifically about

devotees (unlike other quotes brought up by you) and therefor important.

Other example of clear social instructions of Prabhupada is his 'no divorce'

policy. Some of the devotees think that divorces should be allowed in ISKCON

disregarding Prabhupadas instructions. It look like it is kind of fashion to

take references from Prabhupada that are supporting something that is

comfortable to ones management and reject without consideration ones that

are not. Or to pick up the quotes that support ones social ideas and don't

pay attention to other. Prabhupadas books ARE the law books, but not in that

silly 'lawyer' sense.

 

Your servant,

 

Caitanya candrodaya dasa