Guest guest Posted May 16, 1998 Report Share Posted May 16, 1998 > Similarly, in the human society, the social body, there must be these > classes. The head class, the arm class, the belly class and the leg > class. Very scientific. You cannot simply... If you have got > intelligent class of men, but nobody is helping him, then what, what > will be the use of intelligence? The intelligent class must be there, > but to help him the less intelligent class men also required. Just > like if there are only intelligent class, that will be chaos. Nobody will > care for anyone. Sometimes we'll find in our society, all > intelligent class, and they fight each other. That's all. Everyone > is thinking "I am intelligent. I am boss. I must order you." And the > other is thinking, "Why you shall be boss? I am also boss." So (LAUGH) > fighting will go on. So this is going on. AT THE PRESENT MOMENT THERE IS > NO INTELLIGENT CLASS OF MEN. But kalau sudra sambhava. Therefore > things are all in chaos. Everywhere you go, any part of the world, > nobody is happy, either in family or community and society, > nationwide, you take. Everyone is distrust, unhappiness, godlessness. > Because the intelligent class of men is finished. So the king, his duty > was that if you are professing yourself as a brahmana, then it is the > king's duty to see that you are ACTING AS A BRAHMANA. Brahmana is not by > birth but guna-karma-vibhagasah. CCd: contd., in the same lecture on Srimad Bhagavatam Jan. 1974: Guna means quality. And karma, and work also. Simply "I have got now sacred thread, I have become brahmana, doubly initiated; now my business is finished. I CAN WORK, I CAN DO WHATEVER WE LIKE, LIKE LESS THAN SUDRA, CHANDALA." NO, sir. IF YOU ARE INITIATED AS A BRAHMANA, YOU MUST ACT AS A BRAHMANA. Truthfulness--sattva, samo damas titiksva arjavam jnanam vijnanaastikyam brahma-karma--everything is there. A brahmana must be truthful. That is the first business of a brahmana--truthful. He'll speak truth even before an enemy. Nobody speaks truth before an enemy because he wants to hide something. But brahmana's business is to become truthful even before an enemy. =============================================================== CCd: However some more from SB 7.11.17 TRANSLATION Except in a time of emergency, lower persons should not accept the occupational duties of those who are higher. When there is such an emergency, of course, everyone but the ksatriya may accept the means of livelihood of others. PURPORT The occupational duty of a brahmana should not be accepted by persons in lower social orders, especially vaisyas and sudras. For example, an occupational duty of the brahmana is to teach Vedic knowledge, but unless there is an emergency, this professional duty should not be accepted by the ksatriyas, vaisyas or sudras. Even a ksatriya cannot accept the duties of a brahmana unless there is an emergency, and then even if he does so he should not accept charity from anyone else. Sometimes brahmanas protest against our Krsna consciousness movement for creating brahmanas from Europeans, or, in other words, from mlecchas and yavanas. This movement, however, is here supported in Srimad-Bhagavatam. At the present moment, society is in a chaotic condition, and everyone has given up the cultivation of spiritual life, which is especially meant for the brahmanas. Because spiritual culture has been stopped all over the world, there is now an emergency, and therefore it is now time to train those who are considered lower and condemned, so that they may become brahmanas and take up the work of spiritual progress. The spiritual progress of human society has been stopped, and this should be considered an emergency. Here is SOLID SUPPORT FROM NARADA MUNI OF THE MOVEMENT KNOWN AS KRSNA CONSCIOUSNESS. =============================================================== 'daivi-varnasrama' mission by Srila Bhaktivinoda Thakura to Srila Bhaktisiddhanta Sarasvati: Therefore they attack the pure Vaishnavas, saying, 'They have taken birth in low-class families because of their sins.' Thus they commit offenses. The solution to the problem is to establish the order of daiva-varnasrama-dharma - something you have started doing; you should know that to be the real service to the Vaishnavas. Because pure devotional conclusions are not being preached, all kinds of superstitions and bad concepts are being called devotion by such pseudo-sampradayas as sahajiya and atibari. Please always crush these anti-devotional concepts by preaching pure devotional conclusions and by setting an EXAMPLE through your personal conduct. NOD 5 So Srila Bhaktisiddhanta Sarasvati Thakura's struggle for this movement has come out successful. It is on the basis of his position that anyone can now become a Gaudiya Vaisnava, from any part of the world or any part of the universe. Anyone who is a pure Vaisnava is situated transcendentally, and therefore the highest qualification in the material world, namely to be in the mode of goodness, has already been achieved by such a person. Our Krsna consciousness movement in the Western world is based on the above-mentioned proposition of Srila Bhaktisiddhanta Sarasvati Gosvami Prabhupada, our spiritual master. On his authority, we are claiming members from all sections of the Western countries. The so-called brahmanas claim that one who is not born into a brahmana family cannot receive the sacred thread and cannot become a high-grade Vaisnava. But we do not accept such a theory, because it is not supported by Rupa Gosvami nor by the strength of the various scriptures. Srila Rupa Gosvami specifically mentions herein that every man has the birthright to accept devotional service and to become Krsna conscious. He has given many evidences from many scriptures, and he has especially quoted one passage from Padma Purana, wherein the sage Vasistha tells King Dilipa, "My dear King, everyone has the right to execute devotional service, just as he has the right to take early bath in the month of Magha [December-January]." There is more evidence in the Skanda Purana, in the Kasi-khanda portion, where it is said, "In the country known as Mayuradhvaja, the lower-caste people who are considered less than sudras are also initiated in the Vaisnava cult of devotional service. And when they are properly dressed, with tilaka on their bodies and beads in their hands and on their necks, they appear to be coming from Vaikuntha. In fact, they look so very beautiful that immediately they surpass the ordinary brahmanas." Thus a Vaisnava automatically becomes a brahmana. This idea is also supported by Sanatana Gosvami in his book Hari-bhakti-vilasa, which is the Vaisnava guide. Therein he has clearly stated that any person who is properly initiated into the Vaisnava cult certainly becomes a brahmana, as much as the metal known as kamsa (bell metal) is turned into gold by the mixture of mercury. A bona fide spiritual master, under the guidance of authorities, can turn anyone to the Vaisnava cult so that naturally he may come to the topmost position of a brahmana. Srila Rupa Gosvami warns, however, that if a person is properly initiated by a bona fide spiritual master, he should not think that simply by the acceptance of such initiation his business is then finished. One still has to follow the rules and regulations very carefully. If after accepting the spiritual master and being initiated one does not follow the rules and regulations of devotional service, then he is again fallen. One must be very vigilant to remember that he is the part and parcel of the transcendental body of Krsna, and that it is his duty as part and parcel to give service to the whole, or Krsna. If we do not render service to Krsna then again we fall down. In other words, simply becoming initiated does not elevate one to the position of a high-class brahmana. One also has to discharge the duties and follow the regulative principles very rigidly. Sri Rupa Gosvami also says that if one is regularly discharging devotional service, there will be no question of a falldown. But even if circumstantially there is some falldown, the Vaisnava need have nothing to do with the prayascitta, the ritualistic ceremony for purification. If someone falls down from the principles of devotional service, he need not take to the prayascitta performances for reformation. He simply has to execute the rules and regulations for discharging devotional service, and this is sufficient for his reinstatement. This is the mystery of the Vaisnava cult. Practically there are three processes for elevating one to the platform of spiritual consciousness. These processes are called karma, jnana and bhakti. Ritualistic performances are in the field of karma. Speculative processes are in the field of jnana. One who has taken to bhakti, the devotional service of the Lord, need have nothing to do with karma or jnana. It has been already explained that pure devotional service is without any tinge of karma or jnana. Bhakti should have no tinge of philosophical speculation or ritualistic performances. In this connection Srila Rupa Gosvami gives evidence from Srimad-Bhagavatam, Eleventh Canto, Twenty-first Chapter, verse 2, in which Lord Krsna says to Uddhava, "The distinction between qualification and disqualification may be made in this way: persons who are already elevated in discharging devotional service will never again take shelter of the processes of fruitive activity or philosophical speculation. If one sticks to devotional service and is conducted by regulative principles given by the authorities and acaryas, that is the best qualification." This statement is supported in Srimad-Bhagavatam, First Canto, Fifth Chapter, verse 17, wherein Sri Narada Muni advises Vyasadeva thus: "EVEN if one does not execute his specific occupational duty, but immediately takes direct shelter of the lotus feet of Hari [Krsna], there will be no fault on his part, and in all circumstances his position is secure. Even if, by some bad association, he falls down while executing devotional service, or if he doesn't finish the complete course of devotional service and dies untimely, still he is not at a loss. A person who is simply discharging his occupational duty in varna and asrama, however, with no Krsna consciousness, practically does not gain the true benefit of human life." The purport is that all conditioned souls who are engaged very frantically in activities for sense gratification, without knowing that this process will never help them get out of material contamination, are awarded only with repeated births and deaths. -------------------- Just like in your body there must be the head, there must be the arms, there must be the belly, and ... Then it is perfect. And if the head is cracked, then everything is gone, madman. So at the present moment there is no brahmana, qualified. Therefore the society is in chaos. In chaotic condition... 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