Guest guest Posted May 21, 1998 Report Share Posted May 21, 1998 >On 05 May 1998, Jivan Mukta Dasa wrote: >> Here is an example of Sati, the great cosmic mother, accepting and >> acknowledging without any reservations, her social position among the >> "Of course, a Vaisnava is never sudra, but in social standard they >> belonged to the ksatriya or sudra." (LA, Nov 18, 1968) > >I must respectfully submit this entire discussion, eptiomized by its >title, is an *aparadha* against all the great Vaisnavas mentioned. "A >Vaisnava is NEVER sudra," Prabhupada clearly states above. Exactly. Very nice point Prabhu. >classification system? The very idea is despicable. The sound of this >topic itself should disgust any conscientious devotee. Yes. (note I have changed the subject of the text). >If Krsnadasa Kaviraja Goswami considers himself a worm in stool, then by >Jivan Mukta's logic we should label him as such? I would dare not. >Therefore, when Sitadevi, "the great cosmic mother," identifies herself as >a *sudra,* this is her Vaisnava humility. Any reference to sticking >liberated souls with any kind of bodily designation is nothing less than >*caste-consciousness* and an aparadha. It displays a dearth of >understanding about varna-asrma as well. Exactly. >The proposition that Vaisnavis see themselves as "sudra" is also >offensive. Even as far as common womenfolk go, who are supposedly all >*sudra* by JM's stretch of reasoning, it is an inappropriate suggestion. >Sudras can't understand philosophy, "Varnasrama this, sudra like that, -- >before. Thus JM has his hierarchy of varna-asrama implementation >backwards: The onus is on the higher orders to engage the lower classes >and provide them with something substantial. Theoretical talk, "You should >think of yourself in [pejorative] terms can only be counter-productive, >even if it were true. Mandating highly volatile and misunderstood >stereotypes does little to advance our understanding of varnasrama. Nice to hear it from ISKCON minister. Thank you very much for interfering. Your servant, Caitanya candrodaya dasa Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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