Everybody is born sudra. No one has to remain... What?

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>On 19 May 1998, Caitanya Candrodaya SDG wrote:

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>> >> CCD: Cook is shudra. Cook for

>> >> Krsna is brahmana.

>> >

>>>JD: No. Cook is sudra and/or cook is brahmana. Cook for Krsna is Vaisnava

>>>>> >>sudra or Vaisnava brahmana.

>> >

>> CCD: Do you mean to say that Vaisnava sudra will not follow the basic

>> rules

>> of devotional service the same way brahmana-vaisnava does?

 

>What are the "basic rules of devotional service"? Love of God? Serving the

>>Lord without worrying what material "disqualification" one may have

>>because there is no material impediment?

Not yet love of God. But just a basics of nivritti-marga.

 

>I believe what we are referring to in almost every single case regarding

>>people in this material world engaging in the varnasrama-dharma

>>institution are people that possess material desires to different degrees.

>>No one gets in the shower clean. It is purification of the HEART which we

>>want.

 

I think it is obvious.

 

>brahmana does not do only "holy and pure" activities by somebody's holier

>>than thou definition. He has to engage in "sinful activities" also as part

>>of his prescribed duty. For instance, they must perform sacrifices to

>>sanctify the killing of animals which may be eaten by sudras or others.

 

I thought we where talking about ISKCON....

So probably that is your picture of the future:-(

 

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>> For example should sudras be allowed intoxication or meat eating (not

 

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>"Sudras and poor men were allowed to fish..." SB 4.19.9

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>"Sudras, too, eat animals such as goats..." S.B. 6.4.9.

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>"And the sudras, they also sometimes eat meat"

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>"The sudras, they can take a goat and sacrifice it before the Deity of the

>>goddess Kali and then they can eat. No one should be given unrestricted

>>freedom to eat meat or wine. If one is adamant to drink wine there is

>>Durga puja, Candi puja. That means restriction. Under certain conditions."

^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^Vaisnava?

 

I'm surprised to see you quoting this while we discuss if Vaisnava in ISKCON

who was labelled (by mistake I say) as sudra should also have a different

standart. Does it ever came across your mind that when Srila Prabhupada was

saying this he was not talking about his followers? And when I was asking

you I just wondered if you actually understand this...

 

>"Ultimately the aim of varnasrama-dharma is to turn a crude man into a

>>pure devotee of the Lord, or a Vaisnava." SB 1.2.2

 

Yes. Exactly. Not visa versa.

 

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CCD