Offending texts or sect consciousness?? Part 1

[Guest guest]

> Recently, two texts have been posted on COM. One purports to be from

> Padmanabha Goswami of the Radha Raman temple in Vrindavana, stating

> (paraphrased) that ISKCOn devotees should think of stripping sannyasis of

> managerial authority.

 

>From the varnashrama point of view a sannyasis is a socially dead person and

has nothing else to manage then his complete dependence on Krishna.

Sannyasis in ISKCON don't seem to have an easy live as could be seen during

the last years and I don't think that managing money and people makes it

easier for them to keep their standards.

 

At the same time it is completely illogical that sannyasis manage

householder communities. Especially sannyasis which never went trough the

grhasta ashram in a proper way and consequently have not the faintest idea

of the needs of grhastas and children.

 

I just saw an example at an ISKCON farm community where a sannyasis

determines even the color of the houses which are build by the various

devotees. If someone dares to rent a house in the nearby village because he

can't afford to build a house on the farm property the sannyasis threatens

to withdraw the diksa, if the "offender" happens to be his disciple. The

children have to come to the mangala arotic. If they dont come, they get a

warning the first time and are banned from gurukul after missing two mangala

arotics. (Getting baned would be anyway the best that could happen to them,

considering what is going on in that gurukul).

 

This is going on in our moovment at present and in many places. Many people

withness it and no one does anything against it.

 

Under this (and many other) circumstances I really appreciated the above

mentioned article by Padmanabha Goswami (stating (paraphrased) that ISKCOn

devotees should think of stripping sannyasis of managerial authority).

[Guest guest]

> The

> children have to come to the mangala arotic. If they dont come, they

> get a

> warning the first time and are banned from gurukul after missing two

> mangala

> arotics. (Getting baned would be anyway the best that could happen to

> them,

> considering what is going on in that gurukul).

>

> This is going on in our moovment at present and in many places. Many

> people

> withness it and no one does anything against it.

 

If you don't wish to name names, please send me info by private e

mail and I will mention it to some gurukulis who probably would set

things in motion if advised. Ssme of them are quite active.

 

>

>

> Under this (and many other) circumstances I really appreciated the

> above

> mentioned article by Padmanabha Goswami (stating (paraphrased) that

> ISKCOn

> devotees should think of stripping sannyasis of managerial authority).

 

Thinking of it can hardly be considered offensive, since it is a

step in the direction of actual VAD. The question would be how to do

it intelligently so there is not some vacuum for gangster to step

into, as we also have a long history of in ISKCON.

[Guest guest]

>> The

>> children have to come to the mangala arotic. If they dont come, they

>> get a

>> warning the first time and are banned from gurukul after missing two

>> mangala

>> arotics. (Getting baned would be anyway the best that could happen to

>> them,

>> considering what is going on in that gurukul).

>>

>> This is going on in our moovment at present and in many places. Many

>> people

>> withness it and no one does anything against it.

 

>If you don't wish to name names, please send me info by private e

>mail and I will mention it to some gurukulis who probably would set

>things in motion if advised. Ssme of them are quite active.

 

 

I really wish we had a Ksatriya Services Administration to deal effectively

with such things. Confidentiality can be maintained but swift action can

also be administered. People can be made to feel safe through proper and

effective management.

 

 

>> Under this (and many other) circumstances I really appreciated the

>> above

>> mentioned article by Padmanabha Goswami (stating (paraphrased) that

>> ISKCOn

>> devotees should think of stripping sannyasis of managerial authority).

 

>Thinking of it can hardly be considered offensive, since it is a

>step in the direction of actual VAD. The question would be how to do

>it intelligently so there is not some vacuum for gangster to step

>into, as we also have a long history of in ISKCON.

 

I would suggest reviews of qualifications of real life management

administration through job description and resume and/or personal bio

submittals.

 

Ksatriyas can be far more than just soldiers (although some ksatriyas are

just soldiers, also, but they take directioons and orders from a more fully

qualified ksatriya)

 

In my humble opinion, Ksatriyas should possess knowledge and experience in

most of the following general areas of management:

 

Accounting, Auditing

Antidiscrimination administration

Asset management

Budget administration

Communication administration

Community/Public relations

Compensation administration

Construction Management

Contract administration

Credit administration

Environmental impact administration

Governmental liaison

Human resource administration - Pension, medical

insurance, etc.

Inspections

Insurance

Judicial Administration

Labor relations

Leadership training

Management training

Occupation delegation management

Office administration

On-site management

Operational Planning

Policy adherence

Project Management

Property Management

Resource Management

Security

Standard Operating Procedure

Tax Certiorari

Tenant Relations

Utility and Energy Management

Welfare administration

Zoning and Land Use Administration

 

yfs,

Janesvara dasa

[Guest guest]

>Ksatriyas can be far more than just soldiers (although some ksatriyas are

>just soldiers, also, but they take directioons and orders from a more fully

>qualified ksatriya)

 

and these *qualified ksatriya* should be knowing how they need to take

advice from *qualified brahmanas* as and when needed, and not behave

uncontrolled. one more thing is that this "as and when needed" is decided by

the brahmanas and not the ksatriyas themselves because otherwise there is a

possibility that they (the ksatriyas) will never see any such need to ask

advice.

 

ys, bb