Offending texts or sect consciousness?? Part 1

[Guest guest]

Just heared about this socalled "svami" in eastern Europe!

 

I wish him, that he can very soon realize the same pressure, he is

delivering to others!

 

Uh, disgusting dark age! Please go away!

 

But actually, a LITTLE chance is there, by following the advice from

Madhava G. d., to get this impostor exosed, and removed!

 

all the best

ys VS

[Guest guest]

> However, there is a

> little danger here--- some of ISKCON sannyasis are respected in our

> society mainly due to their managerial post and not due to their asram

 

It is their problem. Let them show some knowledge (see BG as reference to

what the knowledge is) and real renunciation and they will be shown proper

respect. No problem.

 

Your servant Manohara das.

[Guest guest]

>

>

> and these *qualified ksatriya* should be knowing how they need to take

>

> advice from *qualified brahmanas* as and when needed, and not behave

> uncontrolled. one more thing is that this "as and when needed" is

> decided by

> the brahmanas and not the ksatriyas themselves because otherwise there

> is a

> possibility that they (the ksatriyas) will never see any such need to

> ask

> advice.

>

> ys, bb

 

There is also a possibility that some people will put on the outward

dress of a brahman just because they want to be the "highest" and act

as controllors of society rather than servants of society as true

brahmans are.

[Guest guest]

COM: Bha The need, therefore, could be to not completely strip them of

 

> management but give them brahminical status as in traditional VAD

> where they

> still hold the authority to chastise any ksatriya managers when

> needed.

>

> ys, bb

>

The status of brahmans derives from the example they set in their own

lives, not political veto power. To think that they are involved in

management and politics is a mISKCONception deeply rooted since

prototyped by Bhaktipada.

[Guest guest]

> The need, therefore, could be to not completely strip them of

> management but give them brahminical status as in traditional VAD where

> they still hold the authority to chastise any ksatriya managers when

> needed.

 

Nobody can give it to them. Wether they are brahmanas or they ate not.

Shore those who are not will sooner or later fall down but the question is

wether we have to wait for it and just observe the chaos that it creates or

we have to say something about it.

 

I dare to say that it is again individual decision. According to our own

position within VAD.

 

Your servant Manohara das.

[Guest guest]

> The need, therefore, could be to not completely strip them of

> management but give them brahminical status as in traditional VAD where they

still hold the authority to chastise any ksatriya managers when needed.

>

>

 

 

There is also a need to avoid ksatriya's hiding in brahman cloth. In such

circumstances, they enjoy the perks without the burden of responsibility. The

brahmanas are a resource to society, not an elitist club of frustrated

nannies.

[Guest guest]

> > There is nobody transcendental to VAD.

> >

> > Your servant Manohara das.

>

> I am sure it is just a matter of semantics here, or an example of

> extremely dry wit, but I think you need to rephrase your point here.

>

> While it is true that everyone is involved with VAD, either correctly or

> poorly, and cannot escape, and in that sense noone is outside of it, in

> the more true sense of transcendence,

Prabhupada being a sannyasi gave few babaji initiations, maybe it is Ok to

consider him above the karma-kanda path, or should we think he made a

'mistake'? Just a thought...

[Guest guest]

>and these *qualified ksatriya* should be knowing how they need to take

>advice from *qualified brahmanas* as and when needed, and not behave

>uncontrolled. one more thing is that this "as and when needed" is decided

by

>the brahmanas and not the ksatriyas themselves because otherwise there is a

>possibility that they (the ksatriyas) will never see any such need to ask

>advice.

 

The ksatriyas must have a desire to ask brahmanas for advice. If we look in

Srimad Bhagavatam, righteous ksatriyas indeed had such a mentality.

Sometimes brahmanas also offered advice unsolicited.

 

Actually, as far as I understand, ksatriyas and their brahmana advicors

work together in some kind of symbiosis. Brahmanas wanting to give

advice and knowledge, and ksatriyas wanting to take instructions.

 

I always have belived that the beauty with this system is that it

avoids the brain department getting contaminated by actual on-hands

dealing with the material dealings. Anyone who have been in a managerial

position know that you tend to get a little bit blinded by the issues at

hand and cannot think freely.

[Guest guest]

>Not controllers. Protectors. Various Western systems, based on sense

>gratification, struggle with control issues. VAD is a system of giving

>protection.

 

I forgot for a second the foremost duty of the ksatriya -- to give

protection.

 

Thank you for reminding me.

[Guest guest]

>> There is also a possibility that some people will put on the outward

>> dress of a brahman just because they want to be the "highest" and act

>> as controllors of society rather than servants of society as true

>> brahmans are.

>

>Not unlikely that some will do that.

 

Watch out!