Plea for defining terms: an ulterior motive to introduce atheism.

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> As all members of this conference can see, I did not advocate changing

> Prabhupada's words to make it seem like he said that women are materially

> as intelligent as men.

 

If we can believe that, either we have mass dyslexia, or we might as well

believe the moon is made of cheese.

 

P.S. Why did the Women's Ministry publish selected/hacked out of context

GHQ conf. texts to VNN?

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COM: Krishna Kirti (das) HDG (Baltimore, MD - USA) wrote:

 

> [Text 2008287 from COM]

>

> > As all members of this conference can see, I did not advocate changing

> > Prabhupada's words to make it seem like he said that women are materially

> > as intelligent as men.

>

> If we can believe that, either we have mass dyslexia, or we might as well

> believe the moon is made of cheese.

>

> P.S. Why did the Women's Ministry publish selected/hacked out of context

> GHQ conf. texts to VNN?

 

Why did you publish selected/hacked out of context VAST conf. texts? Okay for

you, not for others? Same old same old double standard.

 

As per women being less intelligent - sheesh, get a life. If you act more

intelligently, that is more important then quoting that you are more

intelligent. If you can't, then I can understand why you need to cling so

fiercely to quotes.

 

If you are more intelligent you should be able to understand this: even if one

group is statistically superior to another as a statistical mean, that does

not mean that there aren't individuals within the inferior group that can

excel or exceed the statistical norm of the superior group. To constrain the

individual on the basis of belonging to a particular group is bigotry.

 

That women is general are less intelligent than men does not mean that all men

are more intelligent then all women.

 

Incidentally, if defining terms is an ulterior motive to introduce atheism,

why do Srila Prabhupada's books have a glossary?

 

I didn't actually read your whole first post under this thread, as it was a

little incoherent and I didn't have the time to try to penetrate what it was

you were actually saying. It seems the topic is if intelligence is material or

spiritual.

 

BG 13 6-7 purport.

 

"From all the authoritative statements of the great sages, the Vedic hymns and

the aphorisms of the Vedänta-sütra, the components of this world can be

understood as follows. First there are earth, water, fire, air and ether. These

are the five great elements (mahä-bhüta). Then there are false ego,

intelligence and the unmanifested stage of the three modes of nature. Then

there are five senses for acquiring knowledge: the eyes, ears, nose, tongue and

skin. Then five working senses: voice, legs, hands, anus and genitals. Then,

above the senses, there is the mind, which is within and which can be called

the sense within. Therefore, including the mind, there are eleven senses

altogether. Then there are the five objects of the senses: smell, taste, form,

touch and sound. Now the aggregate of these twenty-four elements is called the

field of activity. If one makes an analytical study of these twenty-four

subjects, then he can very well understand the field of activity. Then there

are desire, hatred, happiness and distress, which are interactions,

representations of the five great elements in the gross body. The living

symptoms, represented by consciousness and conviction, are the manifestation of

the subtle body—mind, ego and intelligence. These subtle elements are included

within the field of activities."

 

>From this , I can conclude that according to Srila Prabhupada, intelligence

is

a material element. Of course, not having followed the discussion you are

referencing , and not knowing how you have defined intelligence in that

discussion, maybe referencing Srila Prabupada is not relevant.

 

Anyway, Krishna Kirti, don't worry. Lord Chaitanya is so merciful. Even

though Srila Prabhupada has made the following determination, men still have a

chance.

 

 

"My Dear Krsnadevi,

Please accept my blessings. I am very much pleased to read your letter

dated 13 February, 1970, and thank you very much for your appreciation.

Now I see that in our society the girls are more intelligent than the

boys." (2/17/70

 

 

 

SB lecture 8-3-68

 

"So far spiritual life is concerned, it does not depend on the material

brain substance. It is different thing. It is spiritual platform. It has

nothing to do with this bodily construction. You must remember. We don’t

make any distinction that a man can be better Krsna consciousness than

woman. No. A woman can be better Krsna consciousness because they are very

simple. They can accept any religious system. Generally the women, they

accept it because they are very simple. They have no crooked mind"

 

So even though women in general are materially better at accepting Krsna

Consciousness then the men, and specifically the women in ISKCON are more

intelligent then the men in ISKCON, I personally believe that any men who do

get off the bodily platform will still get Lord Chaitanya's mercy. So don't

give up hope.

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At 5:17 -0800 1/12/99, COM: Krishna Kirti (das) HDG (Baltimore, MD - USA)

wrote:

>[Text 2008287 from COM]

 

>If we can believe that, either we have mass dyslexia, or we might as well

>believe the moon is made of cheese.

 

I can't speak re. your beliefs re. the moon or whether you have a

diagnosable learning disorder. Such a diagnosis would explain many

symptoms, but since there are also many other reasons for those symptoms I

would recommend an appointment with an accredited learning disorder

specialist. S/he has the necessary training to make the required

differential diagnosis. Given the header, maybe the other diagnosis that

needs to be evaluated is paranoia. I don't know, but I sincerely do hope

you receive the help you need.

 

 

>

>P.S. Why did the Women's Ministry publish selected/hacked out of context

>GHQ conf. texts to VNN?

 

I thought those were posted by Ardhabuddhi. Ask him/her.

 

Ys,

Madhusudani dasi

[Guest guest]

On 12-Jan-99, Madhusudani Radha (dd) JPS (Mill Valley - USA) wrote:

 

>As anyone who reads my text will see, I'm proposing 3 possibilities and

it

>was only if people do *not* think that Prabhupada meant material

>intelligence that this would need to get clarified in future editions

since

>the way they currently read, that is what most people understand.

 

This explanation contradicts her original VAST statement wherein she

wrote that if it was *not* #1 (spiritual

intelligence) or #2 (material intelligence) Prabhupada meant, then she

reallly has nothing

to say. In other words if it was #3 (some other type of intelligence),

she "can not comment on whether he was right or wrong." (i.e the

books might be OK). BUT if we "really think" it *is* #1 (spiritual

intelligence) *OR* #2 (material intelligence), then we should "change

the books".

 

First she says if we think Prabhupada *is* talking about spiritual or

material intelligence then we should consider changing his books. Now

she says "if people do *not* think that Prabhupada meant material

intelligence that this would need to get clarified in future editions".

 

 

 

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[Guest guest]

At 9:28 -0800 1/12/99, Ardha-satya Dasi wrote:

 

Hmmm.... I didn't think we allowed anonymous postings on these conferences.

Maybe conference organizers should make postings "members only" to avoid

that in the future.

 

No dear "Ardha-satya", you misunderstood my text - maybe we really do have

a dyslexia epidemic here. I'll explain my views on this topic one last

time when I get home from work tonight. No time now. Until then, please

don't speculate about what "she" wanted. Besides, I do have a name and I

am on this conference, so no need to refer to me in third person (even

though from the GHQ texts, I realize most of you feel most comfortable

speaking about people behind their backs).

 

Ys,

Madhusudani dasi