Guest guest Posted December 14, 1998 Report Share Posted December 14, 1998 >[Text 1933220 from COM] > > >Yes, this brain size equals intelligence has no particular basis in >sastra. If it did, then we would have to say that any elephant is more >intelligent than any sadhu -- also any whale for that matter. Even a cow >or a horse would be more intelligent than a human. This also does not >correspond with our experience. > >I remember reading many years ago some research (John Lilly?) which found >evidence that intelligence better corresponded to the ratio of the weight >of the brain to the weight of the spinal cord. I'm not sure what happened >to that line of research, but at least it explained why humans might be >more intelligent than cows. > >your servant, > >Hare Krsna dasi This discussion should be based on Prabhupada's definition of intelligence: "Intelligence refers to the power to analyze things in their proper perspective" (BG 10.4-5) 34 ounces ultimately refers to a woman's inferior power "to analyze things in their proper perspective". The following quote shows how Prabhupada used 34 ounce to refer to this fact: Room Conversation with writer, Sandy Nixon July 13, 1975, Philadelphia Ravindra-svarupa: This is liberation. She has an affair with a man, and she gets pregnant. The man leaves. Then she has to beg alms from the government to support the child... Prabhupada: Or kill. Ravindra-svarupa: Or she kills the child. So is that good or bad? Woman: Well, she has made the choice to have... Prabhupada: That means, that is 34 ounce. You have made your choice to kill your own child. Is that very good choice? Sandy Nixon: It's the worst crime you could commit. Jayatirtha: Her brain is getting larger. (laughter) Prabhupada: Do you think it is very good business? Woman: I think this is a very complicated question. Prabhupada: Therefore I say they are cheating you in the name of independence. That you do not understand. Therefore 34 ounce. They are cheating you, and you are thinking you are independent. Or our the 34 ounce matajis now suggesting that Prabhupada is wrong? Actually, in order to maintain their feminist doctrine, they must ultimately come to the point of reject Prabhupada. These quotes and his books pose a big problem for them. To accept Prabhupada as the authority and still maintain such confused ideas is not possible. Let us pray or their speedy recovery. Ys. JMd BTW Mata Hare Krsna. I reallly liked your text about woman getting back to weaving etc though I'm not sure how you see ISKCON achieving those goals by allowing women to become leaders. Maybe you could explain a little further. Also, haven't you yet come to the conclusion that vedic culture means varnasrama dharma. Of all people, I am surprised that you would use the term "Vedics" in such a pejorative way! It is like cutting off your nose to spite your face. After all, how can someone be so fanatical about establishing VAD and at the same time vilify "the Vedics"? What would women in your ideal varnasrama community be doing anyway? Ys. JMd Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 14, 1998 Report Share Posted December 14, 1998 > > > Or our the 34 ounce matajis now suggesting that Prabhupada is wrong? > Actually, in order to maintain their feminist doctrine, they must > ultimately come to the point of reject Prabhupada. These quotes and his > books pose a big problem for them. To accept Prabhupada as the authority > and still maintain such confused ideas is not possible. Let us pray or > their speedy recovery. > > Ys. JMd Here, just for once Jivon, be a man and step to this. You have already been presented with the following quote, that amazingly you seem to just be able to ignore, and then repeat your previous statement. I think the big problem here is the one you are having when Srila Prabhuapda says stuff you don't want to hear. Please acknowledge reading this. SB lecture 8-3-68 So far spiritual life is concerned, it does not depend on the material brain substance. It is different thing. It is spiritual platform. It has nothing to do with this bodily construction. You must remember. We don’t make any distinction that a man can be better Krsna consciousness than woman. No. A woman can be better Krsna consciousness because they are very simple. They can accept any religious system. Generally the women, they accept it because they are very simple. They have no crooked mind Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 14, 1998 Report Share Posted December 14, 1998 >[Text 1933584 from COM] >> Or our the 34 ounce matajis now suggesting that Prabhupada is wrong? >> Actually, in order to maintain their feminist doctrine, they must >> ultimately come to the point of reject Prabhupada. These quotes and his >> books pose a big problem for them. To accept Prabhupada as the authority >> and still maintain such confused ideas is not possible. Let us pray or >> their speedy recovery. >> >> Ys. JMd > >Here, just for once Jivon, be a man and step to this. You have already been >presented with the following quote, that amazingly you seem to just be >able to >ignore, and then repeat your previous statement. I think the big problem >here >is the one you are having when Srila Prabhuapda says stuff you don't want to >hear. > >Please acknowledge reading this. > >SB lecture 8-3-68 > >So far spiritual life is concerned, it does not depend on the material >brain substance. It is different thing. It is spiritual platform. It has >nothing to do with this bodily construction. You must remember. We don’t >make any distinction that a man can be better Krsna consciousness than >woman. No. A woman can be better Krsna consciousness because they are very >simple. They can accept any religious system. Generally the women, they >accept it because they are very simple. They have no crooked mind I don't know what you want me to say except that I see no contradiction. Intelligence and brain substance has nothing to do with a person's ability to become Krsna conscious. But who was talking about that? The issue was level of intelligence. Even less intelligent women have equal access to becoming Krsna conscious. In fact even less intelligent women can be better in developing Krsna consciousness due to their *simple* nature. There is always a silver lining around the dark clouds isn't there? Stri-dharma is the Lord's way of allowing these less-intelligent but more Krsna coonscious women to blossom in their devotional service and in so doing help their more intelligent but less Krsna conscious husband's achieve that same level of spirituality. Is that man enough for you :-) Ys. JMd Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 14, 1998 Report Share Posted December 14, 1998 Jivan Mukta: > > Or our the 34 ounce matajis now suggesting that Prabhupada is wrong? > Actually, in order to maintain their feminist doctrine, they must > ultimately come to the point of reject Prabhupada. These quotes and his > books pose a big problem for them. To accept Prabhupada as the authority > and still maintain such confused ideas is not possible. Let us pray or > their speedy recovery. > Let us pray for your speedy take-off from these forums, the 34 ounce misoginyst. ys mnd Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 14, 1998 Report Share Posted December 14, 1998 > > > Stri-dharma is the Lord's way of allowing these less-intelligent but more > Krsna coonscious women to blossom in their devotional service and in so > doing help their more intelligent but less Krsna conscious husband's > achieve that same level of spirituality. > > Is that man enough for you :-) > > Ys. JMd Surprisingly, yes. Sorry for my irritability. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 15, 1998 Report Share Posted December 15, 1998 > > > Both men and women. Therefore Prabhupada said the women who had surendered > to Krishna were very special and -NOT- to be considered as ordinary > smallbrains. > > ys > > Trayimaya dasa Regardless of the statistical mean in any particular group, there will always be individuals from an "inferior' group who will out perform the majority of members of a "superior " group. Judging individuals by the performance of some group they belong to is bigotry. For instance, whies make better quarterbacks than blacks, generally, but this year the top performing quarterback on the strongest team in the NFL is Randall Cunningham, who is black. He was hired as a backup quarterback, but got his opportunity when the starter, a white, was injured. The team is the Minnesota Vikings, incidentally(that d--- Scandinavian connection again) So even if we accept that as a group women are less naturally inclined to management, that doesn't mean that they won't be individuals who are much more qualified than the men. Especially in a capital intensive society where barriers that may have previously been unbreachable have been leveled by technology. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 15, 1998 Report Share Posted December 15, 1998 > Or our the 34 ounce matajis now suggesting that Prabhupada is wrong? > Actually, in order to maintain their feminist doctrine, they must > ultimately come to the point of reject Prabhupada. These quotes and his > books pose a big problem for them. To accept Prabhupada as the authority > and still maintain such confused ideas is not possible. Let us pray or > their speedy recovery. In another quote you gave, Srila Prabhupada said that the women's brain weighs 36 ounces. So it seems like Srila Prabhupada must have been wrong in at least one of his statements, or what? Maybe we should not accuse someone of rejecting Srila Prabhupada if they question his knowledge about the weight of the female brain? Do you suggest that Srila Prabhupada never said anything which was wrong from the material point-of-view? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 15, 1999 Report Share Posted January 15, 1999 > This discussion should be based on Prabhupada's definition of > intelligence: "Intelligence refers to the power to analyze things in their > proper perspective" (BG 10.4-5) 34 ounces ultimately refers to a woman's > inferior power "to analyze things in their proper perspective". Prabhu, according to your definition, I would easilly classify you as a women. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 15, 1999 Report Share Posted January 15, 1999 > This discussion should be based on Prabhupada's definition of > intelligence: "Intelligence refers to the power to analyze things in their > proper perspective" (BG 10.4-5) 34 ounces ultimately refers to a woman's > inferior power "to analyze things in their proper perspective". Prabhu, according to your definition, I would easilly classify you as a women. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 15, 1999 Report Share Posted January 15, 1999 COM: Sraddha (dd) HKS (Gothenburg - S) wrote: > [Text 2016050 from COM] > > > This discussion should be based on Prabhupada's definition of > > intelligence: "Intelligence refers to the power to analyze things in their > > proper perspective" (BG 10.4-5) 34 ounces ultimately refers to a woman's > > inferior power "to analyze things in their proper perspective". > > Prabhu, according to your definition, I would easilly classify you as a > women. Ooooh, touche. Although that could be taken as a compliment. SB lecture 8-3-68 So far spiritual life is concerned, it does not depend on the material brain substance. It is different thing. It is spiritual platform. It has nothing to do with this bodily construction. You must remember. We don’t make any distinction that a man can be better Krsna consciousness than woman. No. A woman can be better Krsna consciousness because they are very simple. They can accept any religious system. Generally the women, they accept it because they are very simple. They have no crooked mind Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 15, 1999 Report Share Posted January 15, 1999 COM: Sraddha (dd) HKS (Gothenburg - S) wrote: > [Text 2016050 from COM] > > > This discussion should be based on Prabhupada's definition of > > intelligence: "Intelligence refers to the power to analyze things in their > > proper perspective" (BG 10.4-5) 34 ounces ultimately refers to a woman's > > inferior power "to analyze things in their proper perspective". > > Prabhu, according to your definition, I would easilly classify you as a > women. Ooooh, touche. Although that could be taken as a compliment. SB lecture 8-3-68 So far spiritual life is concerned, it does not depend on the material brain substance. It is different thing. It is spiritual platform. It has nothing to do with this bodily construction. You must remember. We don’t make any distinction that a man can be better Krsna consciousness than woman. No. A woman can be better Krsna consciousness because they are very simple. They can accept any religious system. Generally the women, they accept it because they are very simple. They have no crooked mind Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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