A Conspirator Speaks

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Guru-Krsna das wrote:

>

> We were indeed conspirators, but only according to this definition

> (Webster's) of "conspire": "to act in harmony." As far as able, we did

> conspire to produce a treatise to be submitted to the GBC, aiming to

> effect bona fide social change within ISKCON based upon the Vedic model.

 

 

("These objectives may go beyond the next GBC meeting" - Syamasundar)

("Don't the GBC members have anything but Bull Dung for brains - Ameyatma)

 

 

 

That what particularly struck me when going through those texts

from your group (among other things) was the text from, apparently

the main coordinator, Syamasundara das. It was entitled "TRIAGE":

 

 

"In military or emergency medical situations when there are

many victims, the attending physicians perform Triage. That

is, they divide the survivors into three groups:

1. Those that will die no matter what medical care is given.

To them some comfort is given so that they die as painlessly as

possible.

2. Those who if treated will probably recover.

3. Those who if left alone untreated will survive anyway.

Having done this triage, they then concentrate all their energy on

saving those that would die without treatment."

 

 

Then he, Syamasundar das, assumes the functional role of GHQ

members as that one of the above described war attending physicians:

 

 

" I suggest that we do something similar, that we divide

senior or influential devotees into three groups and deal with

them differently. The groups are:

1) Pro-Vedic. They are the ones who are for the traditional

Vedic relationship between men and women as is enunciated

in Srila Prabhupada's books and is the understanding of the

general devotee.

2) Unidentified or loyalty unknown at this time.

3) Purvapakshin. Those who favor feminism, and male-female equality.

 

 

Now, Guru-Krsna prabhu, is this really what fits into your above

given description, "As far as able, we did conspire to produce a

treatise to be submitted to the GBC" ???

 

You factually planed (conspired) far more than that. You

factually made the *lists* with the names of some ISKCON influental

devotees in term of their "healtiness" that are to be treated

accordingly:

 

 

"We should identify all those in group 1 as quickly as possible

and rally their support for our cause. Those in group 2 should

be preached to vigorously so that they support us or show their

colors."

 

You do not even leave the chance of neutrality. Either friend

or enemy. One is supposed to be pressed till he finally either

steps on your side, or shows the "colors" (and then perheps

executed on some way, "left to die"). Scaring. You were assuming

the role of judges. Thanks God that you are without executional

power. This is NOT SYMPLY GOING FOR terminating a Woman's Ministry.

The roots are much deaper.

 

The "guru-ideologist", Syamasundar das, continues:

 

" Those in group 3, well they are the ones who we are contending

with in this ideological war for the future of ISKCON and Vedic

Dharma."

 

Well, it seems to be quite obvious what kind of a "treatise to

be submitted to the GBC" we are facing with in fact -- "this

ideological war". And, well, this group 3 (back to TRIAGE analogy)

is that one comprising of uncurable patians that are to die.

 

The names of those in this condemned group of "purvapakshins"?

Well, you know them. Specifically the name of one person there

cought my attention in this moment -- Hrdayananda Maharaja.

Your initiating spiritual master, if I am not mistaken.

 

 

 

 

> However, we did not, as was reported herein, engage in "Conspiracy to

> Terminate the ISKCON Women's Ministry."

 

The point 2) from "strategy and tactics":

 

"2) Terminating the present Woman's Ministry."

 

 

> Factually we did (and continue to)

> conspire to formally recommend that the IWM be either superseded by,

> amalgamated with, or governed by the Grhasta Ministry.

 

.... Factually *after* it has been first terminated, and with

only one way -- no woman in charge of such so-called "Woman's

Ministry":

 

"3) The Grhasta Ministry should be an umbrella for the Woman's

Ministry, no previous officers of Woman's Ministry to hold office

in the Grhasta Ministry. This his is in keeping with no women in

leadership positions."

 

Clearly, it is the question of termination of present IWM. Let's

be honest at least. "To formally recommend that IWM be either

suuspended or..." is simply throwing the dust into eyes of public.

As confirmed by Syamasundar himself:

 

"2) Terminating the present Woman's Ministry.

The feminism movement started with slow steps and now is

becoming fast. I suggest we should be fast in our objectives,

but we should not try to get all that we want right now. To

try to terminate the WM would be too much at the moment.

We should not be seen as women haters. Somebody suggested to

put the WM under care of grhasthas."

 

 

Politics, conspirances, dishonesty, hypocrisy...

 

 

 

 

 

ys mnd