Is Prabhupada guilty of encouraging abuse of women?

[Guest guest]

> I have a sense of humor, and my skin has some thickness. But I cannot

> stand misrepresentation of position, especially when it may encourage

> abuse of others. And that is what I feel that the GHQ texts and those who

> represent such views are doing. Encouraging abuse of women, trying to put

> them down. And I cannot see that after all the past women-abuses that have

> taken place in ISKCON. I loose my humor under such circumstances. And I

> fill fight against it.

>

> Ys

> Jkd

 

These are **Srila Prabhupada's** opinion(s) regarding the issue of the

equality of men & women.

 

Does this catagorize him as one who encourages the abuse of women & one who

puts them down? Looks like that, eh?

 

dasanudas,

 

Basu Ghosh Das

 

P.S. Don't lose your sense of humor Prabhu. Srila Prabhupada didn't under

much greater adversities. I know. I saw him. Personally. Many, many

times. He was the most blissful personality! !

 

 

> Letter COM:1888409 (67 lines)

> Jivan Mukta (das) TSI (Back to Basics) (Ontario - CAN) Date:

> 28-Nov-98 02:45 Astrology [616]

> ISKCON India (news & discussion) [991]

> Mataji Council (Germany) [686]

> (ISKCON) Social and Economic Development [1375]

> (International) Women's Ministry [1025]

> Basu Ghosh (das) ACBSP (Baroda - IN) [8518] (received:

> 28-Nov-98 16:32)

> Isvara (das) GGS (Vrindavana - IN) [800] (received: 28-Nov-98

> 15:22)

> Cc: Prabhupada Discsu Ghosh (das) ACBSP (Baroda - IN))

> For: Varnasrama development

> Comment: Text COM:1888968 by Trayimaya (das) HKS (Aarhus - DK)

> Comment: Text COM:1888969 by Trayimaya (das) HKS (Aarhus - DK)

> Prabhupada's 26 put-downs of women's equal rights

> ---------------------------

> Equal rights: the demoniac "puffed up concept of wonamly life" 16.7

>

> 1. The equal rights movement is a means by which men cheat the women.

> (SSR 1)

>

> 2. Where is the benefit of equal rights? (RC after Press Conference July

> 9, 1975, Chicago)

>

> 3. Equal rights is claimed by rascal Westerners (Morning Walk September

> 25, 1975, Ahmedabad)

>

> 4. By equal rights women are killing their own child (Letter to: Ed

> Gilbert: Vrindaban 9 September, 1975)

>

> 5. I am not trying for equal rights. (Television Interview July 9, 1975,

> Chicago)

>

> 6. Rascals give equal rights.(Morning Walk June 27, 1975, Los Angeles)

>

> 7. If you want equal rights then stop giving birth to a child.(Morning

> Walk May 1975, Perth)

>

> 8. Why you are accepting this nonsense philosophy.(Morning Walk May 29,

> 1974, Rome)

>

> 9. Equal rights is rascaldom philosophy (Morning Walk May 29, 1974, Rome)

>

> 10. This equal rights philosophy is very appealing (to) fools and rascal

> (Morning Walk May 29, 1974, Rome)

>

> 11. There cannot be equality sir. You are talking nonsense. (Morning Walk

> May 29, 1974, Rome)

>

> 12. Regardless of attempts for equality, unequality there must remain.

> (Morning Walk May 29, 1974, Rome)

>

> 13. You cannot make equality (Morning Walk May 29, 1974, Rome)

>

> 14. It is not possibleit is not possible (Morning Walk May 29, 1974, Rome)

>

> 15. Equal rights is nonsense. (Morning Walk May 29, 1974, Rome)

>

> 16. Equal rights will not help the human society. (B. F. Skinner and Henry

> David Thoreau)

>

> 17. Equal rights is an artificial introduction to human society(Bertrand

> Russell)

>

> 18. Equal rights is very grave problems(SB 1.16.7 LA, January 4, 1974)

>

> 19. Equal rights is not Vedic idea(SB 1.8.51 LA, May 13, 1973)

>

> 20. That is not Vedic civilization (SB 7.9.24 Mayapur, March 2, 1976)

>

> 21. Do not artificially try to become equal with men(BG 16.7 Hawaii,

> February 3, 1975)

>

> 22. Equal rights is not allowed in the Vedic sastra.(BG 16.7 Hawaii,

> February 3, 1975)

>

> 23. How she can be happy? That is not possible.(BG Lecture Ahmedabad,

> December 8, 1972)

>

> 24. It will be failure(Arrival Lecture Philadelphia, July 11, 1975)

>

> 25. It is already failure.

>

> 26. Equal rights is impossible (CC. Adi 17.44)

> (Text COM:1888409) --------

[Guest guest]

> Srila Prabhupada is clearly saying in this verse that equal rights can not

> be attained by material adjustment. Since the reference is clearly to

> caste differences, and not sex, it has little application to the

> situation we are discussing.

 

Off topic, I guess, but when I read this I got intrigued about the

comparision

of caste differences vs. sex differences. Comparing the two, they appear

very similar. You cannot change your varna, nor your gender, both are

very basic imprintings on the mind, with unknown origin. According to this

imprinting the body develops accordingly (normally). Science have

figured out that all fetuses are female, and that male fetuses develop,

or even "mutate", differently from a very early time as a modification

from the basic female form, by the influence of hormones.

 

Someone might ague that the cromosomes determine the male or female

form, that's what we learned in school. but actually there are persons

walking around with the "wrong"

cromosomes for their sex, so that cannot be the determining factor.

There are even persons born with both sexual organs, and they

are not even very rare.

(Oh they always make a sex determination at birth, with

a RULER, and very quickly surgically correct the organs to the

decided sex. Mostly male, since they figure that is a "higher"

designation)

 

To compare with varnas, there are brahmanas born in sudra

families, and look like sudras, i.e. with sudra genes, as well

as the other way around. Even here, genes are not the determining

factor.

 

A brahmana born in a sudra family does not become a sudra,

but he internally keeps his "brahminical" identity, as well as

persons with surgually altered sex characteristic, even when

made on newborn children, keep their original gender identify.

 

So what makes a person a sudra or a brahmana, a man or a women?

Any scientifically inclined person out there who has a clue

(or even a speculation)?