Can we at least be truthful?

[Guest guest]

>

 

 

 

>

>

> Now you are crying foul for one text from VAST posted on COM? Was this your

> reaction for the 49 texts from the GHQ conference that you posted on the

> VNN? Why should anyone listen to your complaints when it is exactly what

> YOU do.

>

> ys, Krishna-kirti das

 

If it is a bad thing to do, then why are you doing it? Even if for sake of

argument we accept your speculation that Madhusudhani did do it, how does that

make it right for you? She is your guru? My guru did it therefore I can?

 

Meanwhile, remember, actions speak louder than words. You surmise that

Madhusudhani has done something , bur you have flagrantly done the same thing

yourself.

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COM: Madhusudani Radha (dd) JPS (Mill Valley - USA) wrote:

 

> [Text 2010527 from COM]

>

> Dear Krsna Kirti Prabhu,

>

> Pamho. AgtSP!

>

> It was my understanding that the sysop asked us to stop this conversation on

> public forums. Please let me know if you want to continue it privately.

>

> Ys,

> Madhusudani dasi

 

 

 

SCREEEECH. Sound of brakes being put on continuing this discussion with

hypocrites and bigots.

 

I had already struggled with not replying to JTS's crybaby nonapology

(calling

someone a nigger is okay - I saw it in a movie once - I'm really sorry I got

caught saying it - I'm soooo violated by anyone knowing I say it), but KKK's

just was unbearable.

 

But I am composing myself, and vow henceforth to delete without prejudice all

GHQer texts.

[Guest guest]

> > Now you are crying foul for one text from VAST posted on COM? Was this

> > your reaction for the 49 texts from the GHQ conference that you posted

> > on the VNN? Why should anyone listen to your complaints when it is

> > exactly what YOU do.

> >

> > ys, Krishna-kirti das

>

> If it is a bad thing to do, then why are you doing it? Even if for sake

> of argument we accept your speculation that Madhusudhani did do it, how

> does that make it right for you? She is your guru? My guru did it

> therefore I can?

>

> Meanwhile, remember, actions speak louder than words. You surmise that

> Madhusudhani has done something , bur you have flagrantly done the same

> thing yourself.

 

And he still did not prove that she did what he says she did, if that has

any relevance.

[Guest guest]

At 9:42 -0800 1/16/99, COM: Goloka Candra (das) JPS (Malaysia) wrote:

 

>Yes, that could be considered after Ardhabuddhi dasa alias Half-Wit dasa

>alias Mahanidhi dasa is strung up and hanged. Or at the least, kicked off

>COM for his self-confessed act of leaking COM texts to VNN which maligned

>ISKCON.

 

What blood-thirst from someone who holds up such lofty ideals and holds the

rest of us to such high standards!

 

"maligned ISKCON"? Hmmm.... so now the GHQ=ISKCON????? Sounds like

symptoms of delusion of grandeur......

 

The facts seem to indicate that Ardhabuddhi's expose was mainly an instance

of some misogynistic texts and their authors who were exposed for their

less than vaisnava dealings and language. Identifying such activites

almost seems like a service to ISKCON.

 

And if we start providing consequences for the leaked GHQ texts, then we

also have to do the same for Shyamasundara's and Krsna Kirti's leaking of

private VAST texts, Sita's and GHQ's leaking of IWC texts etc. COM has

ressembled a sieve in the past few months and we know who several of the

culprits are.

 

Personally I don't want any apology. All I want to see is for these men to

stop trying to limit the devotional service opportunities of sincere

Vaisnavis and Vaisnavas.

 

Ys,

Madhusudani dasi

ps. and what happened to the feelings of gratitude toward Ardhabuddhi

initially expressed by the GHQ members? Seems I remember reading (on VNN

no less) their happiness over finally having the issue out in the open,

stating Ardhabuddhi had done them a favor etc. You don't mean to say that

this was simply a pretend act and that you were actually angry but not

wanting to show it?

[Guest guest]

At 9:42 -0800 1/16/99, COM: Goloka Candra (das) JPS (Malaysia) wrote:

 

 

>I can understand that sysops don't like to get entangled in this, still I

>must .....

 

Dear Conference members,

 

Please honor Mukhya Prabhu's text that we stop cc-ing her on these texts.

If you want to communicate directly with her, please send her a letter. I

removed her name and address from my previous reply, so if you comment on

it, she will not be cc:d. I also removed ISKCON India, since I'm not a

member of that conference and "the servant of Half truth". So if you want

either of those entities to receive your comments, you have to add them

back on.

 

I'm sorry to have to point out that "still I must..." shows a great

disrespect on your part.

 

Ys,

Madhusudani dasi

[Guest guest]

At 9:42 -0800 1/16/99, COM: Goloka Candra (das) JPS (Malaysia) wrote:

 

 

>I can understand that sysops don't like to get entangled in this, still I

>must .....

 

Dear Conference members,

 

Please honor Mukhya Prabhu's text that we stop cc-ing her on these texts.

If you want to communicate directly with her, please send her a letter. I

removed her name and address from my previous reply, so if you comment on

it, she will not be cc:d. I also removed ISKCON India, since I'm not a

member of that conference and "the servant of Half truth". So if you want

either of those entities to receive your comments, you have to add them

back on.

 

I'm sorry to have to point out that "still I must..." shows a great

disrespect on your part.

 

Ys,

Madhusudani dasi

[Guest guest]

At 14:16 -0800 1/16/99, WWW: Vijay Pai (Houston TX - USA) wrote:

 

 

>All

>the slaves responded with "I'm Spartacus," because they didn't

>want to turn over their leader.

 

And it worked for them? If so, maybe we're should all follow in Mahanidhi's

footsteps and admit one-ness with Ardhabuddhi?

 

Ys,

Madhusudani dasi

ps. this is a reminder not to include Mukhya Prabhu on the list of

recipients. Besides her very busy sysop service, she is also half way

through her first pregnancy and has many more other things to think of. It

would be nice if we could help free up her time so she can instead read the

Krsna book (or something similar) to her unborn baby.

[Guest guest]

On 11 Jan 1999, Krsna Kirti wrote:

krishna.kirti.hdg (AT) com (DOT) bbt.se>

> We are not moved by the pleas of devotees, like Mataji, who repeatedly ask

for terms to be defined when either they have already been discussed, or they

are so central to the practice of our Krishna-consciousness that they should

be understood. If we mention such basic things such as the 4 regulative

principles, they will complain that we have not defined them.

 

> Furthermore, we would add that the above correspondents are quite aware of

the terms being discussed but are only trying to obfuscate matters in order to

introduce ideas which are against the teachings of our acharyas, as given to

us by Srila Prabhupada.

 

So if you will not "graciously condescend to oblige the members of this

conference" to explain what you are proposing, then why waste both your time

and ours in a long-winded discussion? You can just download on us and we are

supposed to swallow it as the unquesttionable absolute truth? Is that the

process?

 

Please come down off your throne or retire to your royal chambers and let us

vulgar folk content to speculate among ourselves.

 

If the terms under scrutiny (eg, *duty*) are so central to our practice and

disccussion, then it would seem logically necessary to fully explicate them,

no?

 

frankly,

 

Srila das

[Guest guest]

>

>

> Of course, the ornithological analogy applies also to the GHQ who got

> together to write that paper to the GBC.

 

Hmmm. Which bird would that be? Let's see, the GBC sets up a Women's

Ministry and GHQ sees it as a hotbed of unVedic feminism. Is that seeing the

best possibilities of what it is or could be, or looking for the lowest? The

terminology used, which unbelievably enough guys like Jaya Tirtha Charan not

only don't repudiate, but rationalise why it is okay? Which flock would that

be

with?

 

TLK verse 12 purport

 

" In the bird society, there are crows and swans, and crows are interested in

places where filthy things are thrown. However, swans prefer nice clear water

with lotus flowers, and it is in such places that they take their pleasure.

Similarly, there are men who are like crows and men like swans. That is a

natural division. According to an old English proverb, Birds of a feather flock

together. Crows mix with crows, and swans mix with swans. Since devotees are

like swans (haàsas), a most advanced devotee is called paramahaàsa. The

paramahaàsas are not interested in subjects fit for crows. "

[Guest guest]

>

> Indeed, the writing style was a giveaway!

> If Mahanidhi dasa was involved as he admitted, then it was more than a

> one-man job. More like a conspiracy.

>

>

 

 

 

Boy, it sure can be tough thinking some people don't like our point of view.

They're all out to get us!

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

..

[Guest guest]

On 16 Jan 1999, Madhusudani Radha wrote:

> >All

> >the slaves responded with "I'm Spartacus," because they didn't

> >want to turn over their leader.

 

> And it worked for them? If so, maybe we're should all follow in Mahanidhi's

> footsteps and admit one-ness with Ardhabuddhi?

 

Depends on your definition of "worked" -- they were all crucified,

along with the real Spartacus. Worse yet, they didn't even get

the international celebrity status that sometimes comes along

as a perk of crucifixion; I don't think they had any followers,

they've never had any days set aside in their honor, and there's

only been one significant movie made about these events.

 

Yours,

 

Vijay

 

> ps. this is a reminder not to include Mukhya Prabhu on the list of

> recipients.

 

Sorry about that.

[Guest guest]

>Worse yet, they didn't even get

>the international celebrity status that sometimes comes along

>as a perk of crucifixion;

 

Oh darn, never mind then. I was just in the process of figuring out which

movie star would play me and had almost settled on Sharon Stone. :-)

 

Ys,

Madhusudani dasi

[Guest guest]

WWW: Sthita-dhi-muni (Dasa) SDG (Alachua FL - USA) wrote:

 

> [Text 2028630 from COM]

>

> >

> > Indeed, the writing style was a giveaway!

> > If Mahanidhi dasa was involved as he admitted, then it was more than a

> > one-man job. More like a conspiracy.

> >

> >

>

> Boy, it sure can be tough thinking some people don't like our point of view.

> They're all out to get us!

 

Well, don't forget, even paranoids have real enemies.

 

>

>

> .

[Guest guest]

COM: Padmanabha (das) HKS (NJNK - D) wrote:

 

> [Text 2029067 from COM]

>

> too bad, Mike Tyson could have played one of the "vedic brahmanas"

 

That would give a whole new meaning to h earing and chanting.

[Guest guest]

On 19 Jan 1999, Madhusudani Radha wrote:

> VP>Worse yet, they didn't even get

> VP>the international celebrity status that sometimes comes along

> VP>as a perk of crucifixion;

 

> Oh darn, never mind then. I was just in the process of figuring out which

> movie star would play me and had almost settled on Sharon Stone. :-)

 

While your basic instinct might be correct in this regard, I don't

think that there's a sliver of a chance that there'll be a movie

on this.

 

-- Vijay

[Guest guest]

>

>

> While your basic instinct might be correct in this regard, I don't

> think that there's a sliver of a chance that there'll be a movie

> on this.

>

> -- Vijay

 

Must see movie event of the season. "The GHQ Incident " opened to critical

acclaim. It is a darkly tense drama exploring the full range of human

relationship - betrayal, sexual tension, abuse and innocence lost, hope,

and

ultimately , redemption through opened and honest communication based on

genuine

spiritual realization. Smarta brahmanas may be troubled by it's shocking

conclusions. The philosophical sub plots alone make it a must see movie for

anyone who enjoys anything above the level of a car chase thriller. We give it

two thumbs up. The casting of Keanu Reeves as Jatukarnya was sheer directorial

brilliance, as well as Robert Di Niro in the role of Mahaniddhi.

[Guest guest]

> Must see movie event of the season. "The GHQ Incident " opened to

> critical acclaim. It is a darkly tense drama exploring the full range of

> human relationship - betrayal, sexual tension, abuse and innocence

> lost, hope, and ultimately , redemption through opened and honest

> communication based on genuine spiritual realization. Smarta brahmanas

> may be troubled by it's shocking conclusions. The philosophical sub

> plots alone make it a must see movie for anyone who enjoys anything above

> the level of a car chase thriller. We give it two thumbs up. The casting

> of Keanu Reeves as Jatukarnya was sheer directorial brilliance, as well

> as Robert Di Niro in the role of Mahaniddhi.

 

The idle mind at its favourite diversion - playing out Hollywood fantasies.

[Guest guest]

At 0:53 -0800 1/24/99, COM: Goloka Candra (das) JPS (Malaysia) wrote:

 

 

>The idle mind at its favourite diversion - playing out Hollywood fantasies.

 

Well, I can imagine more destructive pastimes for idle minds. Come to think of

it, I've *seen* more destructive pastimes, such as trying to limit the

devotional service opportunities for other jivas. At least humor is healthy

for one's mental and physical functioning.

 

Ys,

Madhusudani dasi

[Guest guest]

>

> And the number one diversion of idle minds

>

> 1. Fantasizing that women are the cause of all problems

>

>

 

 

What happens when you think human being in general are the cause of all your

problems?

 

ys,

 

Sthita-dhi-dreamin

[Guest guest]

> ps. this is a reminder not to include Mukhya Prabhu on the list of

> recipients. Besides her very busy sysop service, she is also half way

> through her first pregnancy and has many more other things to think of. It

> would be nice if we could help free up her time so she can instead read the

> Krsna book (or something similar) to her unborn baby.

 

Dear devotees ,

 

Please accept my worthless obeisances! All glories to Srila Prabhupada! All

glories to you all!

 

Forgive me for what I'm about to say. Please allow us to go back to reading

Krsna book. Please let us go back to chanting, dancing and taking prasadam.

We are tired of hearing these abusive agruments going back and forth, as

devotees, we know better. Why can't we act like ladies and gentlemen? We are

wasting our valuable time which could never be replaced.

 

Again please forgive this untowards intrusion.

 

 

I beg to remain your servant,

Bhakti Yoga Dasa

[Guest guest]

> >

>

> What happens when you think human being in general are the cause of all your

> problems?

>

> ys,

>

> Sthita-dhi-dreamin

 

That would be a condition known as ädhibhautikacentricity ;-)

 

 

 

( see SB 3.5.40)

[Guest guest]

> And the number one diversion of idle minds

>

> 1. Fantasizing that women are the cause of all problems

 

Which can be simplified to: Fantasizing about women.

 

Of course we are speaking about male idle minds, aren't we?

 

-- Prisni