Guest guest Posted March 2, 1999 Report Share Posted March 2, 1999 PAMHO! AGSTP! I greet all devotees with Gaura Purnima 1999, may Srila Prabhupada be pleased by you, may Lord Caitanya grant you the greatest gift of pure love to Godhead. May varnasrama be manifested in our lives. And may children, old people and women be olways protected. P.S. There is a strange silence in all the conferences on COM. I don't lament, but who knows what's going on with COM? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 2, 1999 Report Share Posted March 2, 1999 Post GHQ burnout? Plus, a lot of devotees probably went to Mayapur. The most active controversy now seems to be on VNN in the Xena thread. COM: (Bhakta) Oleg Demtchenko (Nikolaev - RU) wrote: > [Text 2131327 from COM] > > PAMHO! AGSTP! > > I greet all devotees with Gaura Purnima 1999, > may Srila Prabhupada be pleased by you, > may Lord Caitanya grant you the greatest gift of > pure love to Godhead. > May varnasrama be manifested in our lives. > And may children, old people and women be olways > protected. > > P.S. There is a strange silence in all the conferences > on COM. I don't lament, but who knows what's going on with COM? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 2, 1999 Report Share Posted March 2, 1999 Post GHQ burnout? Plus, a lot of devotees probably went to Mayapur. The most active controversy now seems to be on VNN in the Xena thread. COM: (Bhakta) Oleg Demtchenko (Nikolaev - RU) wrote: > [Text 2131327 from COM] > > PAMHO! AGSTP! > > I greet all devotees with Gaura Purnima 1999, > may Srila Prabhupada be pleased by you, > may Lord Caitanya grant you the greatest gift of > pure love to Godhead. > May varnasrama be manifested in our lives. > And may children, old people and women be olways > protected. > > P.S. There is a strange silence in all the conferences > on COM. I don't lament, but who knows what's going on with COM? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 2, 1999 Report Share Posted March 2, 1999 In a message dated 3/2/99 10:34:02 AM Eastern Standard Time, Oleg.Demtchenko (AT) com (DOT) bbt.se writes: << I greet all devotees with Gaura Purnima 1999, may Srila Prabhupada be pleased by you, may Lord Caitanya grant you the greatest gift of pure love to Godhead. May varnasrama be manifested in our lives. And may children, old people and women be olways protected. P.S. There is a strange silence in all the conferences on COM. I don't lament, but who knows what's going on with COM? >> I am glad to hear I am not the only one. It is probably paranoid delusions but I was beginning to think I had been cut off for some reason. Isolation can do that. Actually all the prabhus are probably just observing the holy days, what a relief. On a different note..... If anyone is interested in a source for non-hybrid seeds there is a book printed by Seed Savers Exchange called Garden Seed Inventory that lists all such seed available in the US and Canada. Anyone who plants anything should think about growing non-hybrid varieties so that if disaster strikes and seed sources are no longer available, at least the planting can go on. In this day and age of rather demonic multinational seed and chemical conglomerates trying to control the farmers of the world, it is better to use small independent seed suppliers if we still buy seeds and not to support these rakshashas anyway. If someone is interested in heirloom varieties or regional specific non hybrid varieties the Seed Savers Exchange is a good source as well and also a way to get an idea about the importance of preserving our natural heritage in this area. Kanti dd Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 2, 1999 Report Share Posted March 2, 1999 In a message dated 3/2/99 10:34:02 AM Eastern Standard Time, Oleg.Demtchenko (AT) com (DOT) bbt.se writes: << I greet all devotees with Gaura Purnima 1999, may Srila Prabhupada be pleased by you, may Lord Caitanya grant you the greatest gift of pure love to Godhead. May varnasrama be manifested in our lives. And may children, old people and women be olways protected. P.S. There is a strange silence in all the conferences on COM. I don't lament, but who knows what's going on with COM? >> I am glad to hear I am not the only one. It is probably paranoid delusions but I was beginning to think I had been cut off for some reason. Isolation can do that. Actually all the prabhus are probably just observing the holy days, what a relief. On a different note..... If anyone is interested in a source for non-hybrid seeds there is a book printed by Seed Savers Exchange called Garden Seed Inventory that lists all such seed available in the US and Canada. Anyone who plants anything should think about growing non-hybrid varieties so that if disaster strikes and seed sources are no longer available, at least the planting can go on. In this day and age of rather demonic multinational seed and chemical conglomerates trying to control the farmers of the world, it is better to use small independent seed suppliers if we still buy seeds and not to support these rakshashas anyway. If someone is interested in heirloom varieties or regional specific non hybrid varieties the Seed Savers Exchange is a good source as well and also a way to get an idea about the importance of preserving our natural heritage in this area. Kanti dd Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 3, 1999 Report Share Posted March 3, 1999 >On a different note..... >If anyone is interested in a source for non-hybrid seeds there is a book >printed by Seed Savers Exchange called Garden Seed Inventory that lists all >such seed available in the US and Canada. Anyone who plants anything should >think about growing non-hybrid varieties so that if disaster strikes and >seed >sources are no longer available, at least the planting can go on. In this >day >and age of rather demonic multinational seed and chemical conglomerates >trying to control the farmers of the world, it is better to use small >independent seed suppliers if we still buy seeds and not to support these >rakshashas anyway. >If someone is interested in heirloom varieties or regional specific non >hybrid >varieties the Seed Savers Exchange is a good source as well and also a way >to get an idea about the importance of preserving our natural heritage in >this area. >Kanti dd In the UK and available for Europe also is the Henry Doubleday Heritage Seed Library, of which I am a member, so people here can order through me. It has over 700 varieties and their aim is to make available to farmers and growers the outlawed varieties that are not dependant on pesticides and chemical fertilizers. They say: Vegetable seeds did not always come in glossy packets. Gardeners used to save seeds themselves - keeping the best varieties from year to year, giving them to other gardeners, and passing them on from generation to generation. It is a practise that has almost died out. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 3, 1999 Report Share Posted March 3, 1999 >On a different note..... >If anyone is interested in a source for non-hybrid seeds there is a book >printed by Seed Savers Exchange called Garden Seed Inventory that lists all >such seed available in the US and Canada. Anyone who plants anything should >think about growing non-hybrid varieties so that if disaster strikes and >seed >sources are no longer available, at least the planting can go on. In this >day >and age of rather demonic multinational seed and chemical conglomerates >trying to control the farmers of the world, it is better to use small >independent seed suppliers if we still buy seeds and not to support these >rakshashas anyway. >If someone is interested in heirloom varieties or regional specific non >hybrid >varieties the Seed Savers Exchange is a good source as well and also a way >to get an idea about the importance of preserving our natural heritage in >this area. >Kanti dd In the UK and available for Europe also is the Henry Doubleday Heritage Seed Library, of which I am a member, so people here can order through me. It has over 700 varieties and their aim is to make available to farmers and growers the outlawed varieties that are not dependant on pesticides and chemical fertilizers. They say: Vegetable seeds did not always come in glossy packets. Gardeners used to save seeds themselves - keeping the best varieties from year to year, giving them to other gardeners, and passing them on from generation to generation. It is a practise that has almost died out. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 15, 1999 Report Share Posted March 15, 1999 > They say: Vegetable seeds did not always come in glossy packets. Gardeners > used to save seeds themselves - keeping the best varieties from year to > year, giving them to other gardeners, and passing them on from generation > to generation. It is a practise that has almost died out. I still remember my grandfather who kept tomatoes, salad and other vegetables on the field until they were over ripe and then collected the seeds to plant them next year. I guess very few people still do it this way. Ys Ud Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 16, 1999 Report Share Posted March 16, 1999 > > They say: Vegetable seeds did not always come in glossy packets. > > Gardeners used to save seeds themselves - keeping the best varieties > > from year to year, giving them to other gardeners, and passing them on > > from generation to generation. It is a practise that has almost died > > out. > > I still remember my grandfather who kept tomatoes, salad and other > vegetables on the field until they were over ripe and then collected the > seeds to plant them next year. I guess very few people still do it this > way. > > Ys Ud Why collect the seeds, we leave them to self seed. Less work Ys Gokula das Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 16, 1999 Report Share Posted March 16, 1999 > > They say: Vegetable seeds did not always come in glossy packets. > > Gardeners used to save seeds themselves - keeping the best varieties > > from year to year, giving them to other gardeners, and passing them on > > from generation to generation. It is a practise that has almost died > > out. > > I still remember my grandfather who kept tomatoes, salad and other > vegetables on the field until they were over ripe and then collected the > seeds to plant them next year. I guess very few people still do it this > way. > > Ys Ud My father in law here in Mauritius still does it. One agricultural officer here told me that nowadays though the farmers sell all the best vegetables at a high price and keep the rejects for seed. This of course will convince them, when the strains weaken, to eventualy buy seed from the companies, as they will surmise that science knows best. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 16, 1999 Report Share Posted March 16, 1999 > > > I still remember my grandfather who kept tomatoes, salad and other > vegetables on the field until they were over ripe and then collected the > seeds to plant them next year. I guess very few people still do it this way. > > Ys Ud I do save some, but the reason I don't do more is because it is another one of those economically unviable practices. It is just much cheaper to buy the seeds than spending the time to save them yourself. Sad but true. Saving seeds of some vegetables is actually quite difficult. For instance, carrots cross pollinate up to 1/2 mile and craoos with Queen Anne's Lace. So to save true seed, it is necessary to control all Queen Anne's Lace within that distance, which is virtually impossible. Some things, like tomatoes and peas, are pretty easy, squash, beans, peppers. Still, anyone thinking of doing it should get a book as cross pollination is a real factor so separation by distance or time is essential. That may be 10 feet for tomatoes or 1 mile for gourds, so you need to know. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 17, 1999 Report Share Posted March 17, 1999 >I still remember my grandfather who kept tomatoes, salad and other >vegetables on the field until they were over ripe and then collected the >seeds to plant them next year. I guess very few people still do it this >way. >Ys Ud It would seem so. The Heritage seed library in the UK sends seeds all over the world, to it's members. Otherwise it is illegal. You only get about 6-20 seeds per variety, once a year. So those interested should create plots to save and preserve these gems of long ago. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 17, 1999 Report Share Posted March 17, 1999 >Why collect the seeds, we leave them to self seed. Less work> >Ys Gokula das Permaculture Ki Jai! I first did this on a very small plot in my London garden. The results were amazing. I also planted new seeds and had to thin out, but the result, if enlarged, could well be called jungle farming! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 17, 1999 Report Share Posted March 17, 1999 > Still, anyone thinking of doing it >should get a book as cross pollination is a real factor so separation by >distance or time is essential. That may be 10 feet for tomatoes or 1 mile >for gourds, so you need to know. The UK Heritage Seed Library sell a book on seed collection: The Seed Saveers' Handbook. ISBN 1-899233-01-6 price 12.95 sterling. or their address is: The Heritage Seed Library, HDRA., P.O.Box 527, Coventry, CV8 3ZT. United Kingdom. 'Without dedicated home gardeners, the seeds of our staple foods could not exist. Such seed resources are only safe in the hands of people who grow them and eat their bounty. I beleive this book to be essential for all caring gardeners, farmers, cooks and parents.' (Bill Mollison - founder of Permaculture) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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