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> On 17 Apr 1999, Prsnigarbha das wrote:

 

> > You have funny conceptions of what is a woman. What makes someone

 

> > a woman?

 

 

 

On 19 Apr 1999, Vijay Pai wrote:>

 

> There is one incontrovertible piece of evidence: an XX in

 

> chromosome pair 23. It's that XX that gives real women less likely

 

> to suffer from sex-linked diseases like hemophilia, etc., while

 

> men are stuck with their XY pair.

 

>

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

I've been thinking alot about this recently, being it is such an important

issue. Since Madhusudhani and Prsni d. have us convinced real women do not

need breasts, ovaries, or a uterus, then the only thing left that

distinguishes men and women is how they choose to use the toilet seat when

they need to pass water.

 

 

 

That's the answer.

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At 17:51 -0800 4/19/99, Robert Cope wrote:

>What is wrong with debating an important philosophical point especially when

>a GBC member may be deviating from such a misunderstanding.

 

I remember reading a GBC resolution (or letter by the GBC) to Malati and

other sannyasinis several years ago, stating that giving up that title was

a condition of their return to ISKCON. It basically stated that they may

continue to be renounced, but that the title and danda had to go. Malati

prabhu accepted those terms before her re-entry, which was years before

being nominated and voted in as a GBC. (actually the letter may also have

addressed conditions for re-entry by other New Vrindavan devotees, but I

remember it had a special section for women who had taken sannyasa from

Kirtananda)

 

I have seen Malati several times since then and whenever anyone has

referred to her past, she has always talked about being a sannyasini in

past tense. Yes, she's often given a great deal of respect, but that is due

to her seniority and renunciation, not to any title.

 

Ys,

Madhusudani dasi

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> What is wrong with debating an important philosophical point especially

> when a GBC member may be deviating from such a misunderstanding.

>

 

"A GBC member may be deviating" is something what you got

first to investigate in more accurately before you throw

in public that GBC member's name for the public scrutinizing,

under the label "debating an important philosophical point."

 

I mean, I am really impressed seeing you so desperate to get

on with bashing Malati prabhu (who happened to be the only

non-male member on the GBC, btw.), so much so that you couldn't

wait till some actual opportunity occurs. But you got to

force upon your "important philosophical point" so passionately.

 

You see, you seem simply to be too much eager to discuss "an

important philosophical point" that my alarms went all off.

 

 

(You asked me what's wrong, so I answered per your request.

You don't have to agree with, of course.)

 

 

 

> I find it very strange that you of all people would raise such a point.

> Weren't you the one who anonymously submitted the GHQ quotes for the

> benefit of all mankind under a pseudonym. What was your name again? I

> remember something about nitwit dasa or something along that vein. Is this

> truly a pseudonym or a name given to you by another guru since your other

> one blooped? If so, he hasn't been very gracious to you.

>

 

Don't worry for my "another guru's" un/graciousness, we two

will be able to handle it in between us, without your "very

gracious" interference.

 

 

 

> In any event I would like to mention that this organization is Srila

> Prabhupada's and the quality and direction must have root in his mood and

> vision. It is my personal understanding that a lady taking sannyasa is a

> deviation sprouting from the demon Kirtananda. I say a demon because he

> has erred from religious principles and there is not much in between

> demoniac and relligious principles. So does anyone have any sastric quotes

> that allow such an action? How about you, Ardabhuti dasa (if memory serves

> me well).

 

 

(Sorry to notice it but, I can's say that your memory serves you

well. You started the letter with "And Mahanidi replied", and

just few lines after you lost the idea what my name was.)

 

 

I don't have such quotes.

 

I guess you won your debate now. ;)

 

 

 

 

ys mnd

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> What is wrong with debating an important philosophical point especially

> when a GBC member may be deviating from such a misunderstanding.

 

I have the feeling you are not very much into that women should have any

authority ever, right? Your important philosophical points may seem to be

tingued with envy of women in positions, as also is seen with the rest of

the GHQ members.

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Obviously, from this posting and the one you made before on this matter you

don't understand english. Please don't bother me with your nonsense. It is not

my fault you are so attached to that rascal Kirtananda. When are you going to

take the statue of the Christian saint off of your lawn? Obviously, Bhakti

Keith is still honoured by some.

 

On 19 Apr 1999, Madhava Gosh wrote:

 

..

>

> So , since sannyasis are not supposed to manage men or money according to

> religious principles, if would appear you are saying most of our sannyasis

are

> demons?

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On 20 Apr 1999, Jatukarnya das wrote:

 

> > What is wrong with debating an important philosophical point especially

> > when a GBC member may be deviating from such a misunderstanding.

>

> I have the feeling you are not very much into that women should have any

> authority ever, right? Your important philosophical points may seem to be

> tingued with envy of women in positions, as also is seen with the rest of

> the GHQ members.

 

What nonesense! I have never participated in the GHQ confernece. Prove me

wrong on that one. Those against the ideas presented by the GHQ group have

quoted little sastra in making their arguments. So where is the beef?

Padyavali's article on Chakra was embarassing if that is what you have to

offer for a philosophical presentation. And when I saw Hare Krsna dasi start

calling these devotees the Vedics or whatever it is preposterous. Where are

the quotes. Hare Krishna dasi quotes Prabhupada in regards to the cows ad

nauseum but I didn't see anything quoted on the women's issue by her.

 

Please don't expect me to continue on with this discussion eternally. I am in

the middle of a very busy time presently. Unfortunately, I just can't find the

time to discuss or even read "what is female and what is male." Prabhupada

would scream at the quality of the discussion on this conference. Why don't we

rename it to the Discussions conf. since there is practically nothing about

varnasrama.

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> Or if you get annoyed by the previous user putting the seat in the wrong

> "state". I always wondered why women often get so upset about the

> toilet ring beeing up, until one day I also got bitten by that bug. Scary.

> Must be something primevial, affacted by the hormones.

> :-)

>

> ys Prisni dasi

 

In a proper Vedic home, the toilet would have been outside the dwelling. In

the study of Feng shui, it is recommended that if one does have a toilet

indoors, it is best to keep it covered as other wise the positive chi that is

desirable to accumulate indoors drains down the toilet.

 

>From that perspective, and acknowledging that women have a stronger

propensity

for nesting, and for keeping a nice home, then the need to have the toilet

seat down is a simply a type of common sense that is more easily recognised by

the women.

 

So men, if your life doesn't seem to be going as well as you think it could

be, seriously consider keeping the toilet seat down for a while and see if it

makes a difference. (yes, I know, that is a "material" concept, but so is

turning on the heat when it gets cold outside.)

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