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"WWW: Tulasi-priya (Devi Dasi) SDG (?)" wrote:

 

> [Text 2250780 from COM]

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>

> Instead of tearing down the marble of the temples (some of which are now

> falling apart) to print books, should it be torn down to start farms, real

> farms? New preaching centers could be started up in storefronts in the cities

> (ah, the good old days) and thus the cycle would be ever-renewing. This is

> just a dream.

>

>

> Ys, Tulasi-priya dasi

 

Morning Walk Vrindaban, March 14, 1974

 

Prabhupada: (break) ...tion. You join. There will be no scarcity. This will

engage people. Some are, some of them will be engaged to produce food. Where is

the question of scarcity? There is food, there is milk. Eat and drink and be

human

beings.

 

Visnujana: When we first go to open a temple in a city we get an apartment or a

storefront. But then, when more and more people come, then we should get land

and

cows and everything and...

Prabhupada: Yes, yes.

Visnujana: ...and turn it into a society.

Hrdayananda: Ah, that's wonderful.

 

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Just see -- by studying Prabhupada so much, you have now begun to think like

him!

 

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"WWW: Tulasi-priya (Devi Dasi) SDG (?)" wrote:

 

> [Text 2250780 from COM]

>

>

> Instead of tearing down the marble of the temples (some of which are now

> falling apart) to print books, should it be torn down to start farms, real

> farms? New preaching centers could be started up in storefronts in the cities

> (ah, the good old days) and thus the cycle would be ever-renewing. This is

> just a dream.

>

>

> Ys, Tulasi-priya dasi

 

Morning Walk Vrindaban, March 14, 1974

 

Prabhupada: (break) ...tion. You join. There will be no scarcity. This will

engage people. Some are, some of them will be engaged to produce food. Where is

the question of scarcity? There is food, there is milk. Eat and drink and be

human

beings.

 

Visnujana: When we first go to open a temple in a city we get an apartment or a

storefront. But then, when more and more people come, then we should get land

and

cows and everything and...

Prabhupada: Yes, yes.

Visnujana: ...and turn it into a society.

Hrdayananda: Ah, that's wonderful.

 

*************************

 

Just see -- by studying Prabhupada so much, you have now begun to think like

him!

 

ys

hkdd

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On 20 Apr 1999, Hare Krsna dasi wrote:

 

>

> Morning Walk Vrindaban, March 14, 1974

>

> Prabhupada: (break) ...tion. You join. There will be no scarcity. This

will

> engage people. Some are, some of them will be engaged to produce food. Where

is

> the question of scarcity? There is food, there is milk. Eat and drink and be

> human

> beings.

>

> Visnujana: When we first go to open a temple in a city we get an apartment

or a

> storefront. But then, when more and more people come, then we should get

land

> and

> cows and everything and...

> Prabhupada: Yes, yes.

> Visnujana: ...and turn it into a society.

> Hrdayananda: Ah, that's wonderful.

>

> *************************

>

> Just see -- by studying Prabhupada so much, you have now begun to think like

> him!

 

 

Don't say things like that to me--I'm puffed up enough as it is. But thank you

for encouraging me. Because my Guru Maharaja has written so extensively and so

personally about Srila Prabhupada, and because I've had the good fortune to be

involved in proofreading and writing glossaries for his (my guru's) many

books, and because of having the association of so many of Prabhupada's direct

disciples, I feel like Prabhupada is very much still present in this world.

Their bhava of service in separation creates the effect of making him more

real to me than if I had seen him face to face, because I get to see him

through their eyes, "smeared with the salve of love," instead of through my

own materially contaminated vision.

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> I also agree totaly that we cannot now IMPLEMENT varnasrama. What the

> leaders CAN do and what they consistently fail to do is support and

> facilitate groups of open minded intelligent devotees, to start something

> which is basicaly a varnasrama college,

 

Srila Prabhupada has already begun to implement VAD. The failure has been to

not

continue. There are brahmanas and sannyasis - these are aspects of VAD and a

start - to not continue with a full manifestation is to perish. Without

someone to feed the brahmanas, they must eat foodstuffs produced by karmis and

suffer the subsequent pollution of the mentality attached to the foodstuffs

while being produced.

 

Already the temples are, as pointed out by Gunamayi, functioning as colleges

for brahmacaris. The problem in an incomplete implementation is that the

social

vision is constrained to a point where the mISKCONception is that the college

is

the society and once devotees move on in their lives there are considered as

fallen or blooped instead of as alumni. Ther is more to VAD than being a

brahman, more career paths than becoming a swami.

 

 

> The children ARE the future, and our planning and goals should be LONG TERM.

> We are here to stay, and until we focus on our future legacy, and put some

> energy into it, we will continue to stumble along, making the same mistakes

> over and over again, and dwindle more and more.

>

> YS Samba das

 

Yes, attracting young converts with fancily prepared foodstuffs and adroit

presentations of the philosophy, then losing them when economic unrealities

set

in.

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On 21 Apr 1999, Madhava Gosh wrote:

 

> The problem in an incomplete implementation is that the

> social

> vision is constrained to a point where the mISKCONception is that the

college

> is

> the society and once devotees move on in their lives there are considered as

> fallen or blooped instead of as alumni. Ther is more to VAD than being a

> brahman, more career paths than becoming a swami.

 

 

 

I find that the mentality of being considered blooped not so prevalent as

before, especially if you can say you're doing some kind of preaching.

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> I find that the mentality of being considered blooped not so prevalent as

> before, especially if you can say you're doing some kind of preaching.

 

Good. Do need to update my categorisations from time to time I guess.

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On 22 Apr 1999, Anantarupa das wrote:

 

Dear Prabhu,

 

Pamho Agtsp

 

I have just spent five hours crafting a very careful response to your

thoughtful letter. Thank you for taking the time to respond.

 

However, that letter, somehow, some way, got zapped into the ether, even

though I saved it, and since it's 2:15 in the morning, I don't have the heart

to start all over again.

 

I did want to say that I am not all criticizing Samba Prabhu for his words or

actions, nor do I feel I was "lecturing" him but perhaps that wasn't so clear.

I very much support his endeavors, even though I don't know him particularly

well. But I do think he and I have a good chance to understand each other,

based on what I know of him from his past contributions to this conference.

 

 

I do feel that I may have not been very clear, and so there is a little bit of

misunderstanding. When I have recovered from the lost of my post, I will

address your concerns in depth.

 

I can't help but think that Krsna doesn't want me spending so much time on

COM.Your servant,Tualsi-priya dasi

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