Guest guest Posted April 20, 1999 Report Share Posted April 20, 1999 "WWW: Tulasi-priya (Devi Dasi) SDG (?)" wrote: > [Text 2250780 from COM] > > > Instead of tearing down the marble of the temples (some of which are now > falling apart) to print books, should it be torn down to start farms, real > farms? New preaching centers could be started up in storefronts in the cities > (ah, the good old days) and thus the cycle would be ever-renewing. This is > just a dream. > > > Ys, Tulasi-priya dasi Morning Walk Vrindaban, March 14, 1974 Prabhupada: (break) ...tion. You join. There will be no scarcity. This will engage people. Some are, some of them will be engaged to produce food. Where is the question of scarcity? There is food, there is milk. Eat and drink and be human beings. Visnujana: When we first go to open a temple in a city we get an apartment or a storefront. But then, when more and more people come, then we should get land and cows and everything and... Prabhupada: Yes, yes. Visnujana: ...and turn it into a society. Hrdayananda: Ah, that's wonderful. ************************* Just see -- by studying Prabhupada so much, you have now begun to think like him! ys hkdd Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 20, 1999 Report Share Posted April 20, 1999 "WWW: Tulasi-priya (Devi Dasi) SDG (?)" wrote: > [Text 2250780 from COM] > > > Instead of tearing down the marble of the temples (some of which are now > falling apart) to print books, should it be torn down to start farms, real > farms? New preaching centers could be started up in storefronts in the cities > (ah, the good old days) and thus the cycle would be ever-renewing. This is > just a dream. > > > Ys, Tulasi-priya dasi Morning Walk Vrindaban, March 14, 1974 Prabhupada: (break) ...tion. You join. There will be no scarcity. This will engage people. Some are, some of them will be engaged to produce food. Where is the question of scarcity? There is food, there is milk. Eat and drink and be human beings. Visnujana: When we first go to open a temple in a city we get an apartment or a storefront. But then, when more and more people come, then we should get land and cows and everything and... Prabhupada: Yes, yes. Visnujana: ...and turn it into a society. Hrdayananda: Ah, that's wonderful. ************************* Just see -- by studying Prabhupada so much, you have now begun to think like him! ys hkdd Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 21, 1999 Report Share Posted April 21, 1999 On 20 Apr 1999, Hare Krsna dasi wrote: > > Morning Walk Vrindaban, March 14, 1974 > > Prabhupada: (break) ...tion. You join. There will be no scarcity. This will > engage people. Some are, some of them will be engaged to produce food. Where is > the question of scarcity? There is food, there is milk. Eat and drink and be > human > beings. > > Visnujana: When we first go to open a temple in a city we get an apartment or a > storefront. But then, when more and more people come, then we should get land > and > cows and everything and... > Prabhupada: Yes, yes. > Visnujana: ...and turn it into a society. > Hrdayananda: Ah, that's wonderful. > > ************************* > > Just see -- by studying Prabhupada so much, you have now begun to think like > him! Don't say things like that to me--I'm puffed up enough as it is. But thank you for encouraging me. Because my Guru Maharaja has written so extensively and so personally about Srila Prabhupada, and because I've had the good fortune to be involved in proofreading and writing glossaries for his (my guru's) many books, and because of having the association of so many of Prabhupada's direct disciples, I feel like Prabhupada is very much still present in this world. Their bhava of service in separation creates the effect of making him more real to me than if I had seen him face to face, because I get to see him through their eyes, "smeared with the salve of love," instead of through my own materially contaminated vision. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 21, 1999 Report Share Posted April 21, 1999 > > I also agree totaly that we cannot now IMPLEMENT varnasrama. What the > leaders CAN do and what they consistently fail to do is support and > facilitate groups of open minded intelligent devotees, to start something > which is basicaly a varnasrama college, Srila Prabhupada has already begun to implement VAD. The failure has been to not continue. There are brahmanas and sannyasis - these are aspects of VAD and a start - to not continue with a full manifestation is to perish. Without someone to feed the brahmanas, they must eat foodstuffs produced by karmis and suffer the subsequent pollution of the mentality attached to the foodstuffs while being produced. Already the temples are, as pointed out by Gunamayi, functioning as colleges for brahmacaris. The problem in an incomplete implementation is that the social vision is constrained to a point where the mISKCONception is that the college is the society and once devotees move on in their lives there are considered as fallen or blooped instead of as alumni. Ther is more to VAD than being a brahman, more career paths than becoming a swami. > The children ARE the future, and our planning and goals should be LONG TERM. > We are here to stay, and until we focus on our future legacy, and put some > energy into it, we will continue to stumble along, making the same mistakes > over and over again, and dwindle more and more. > > YS Samba das Yes, attracting young converts with fancily prepared foodstuffs and adroit presentations of the philosophy, then losing them when economic unrealities set in. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 21, 1999 Report Share Posted April 21, 1999 On 21 Apr 1999, Madhava Gosh wrote: > The problem in an incomplete implementation is that the > social > vision is constrained to a point where the mISKCONception is that the college > is > the society and once devotees move on in their lives there are considered as > fallen or blooped instead of as alumni. Ther is more to VAD than being a > brahman, more career paths than becoming a swami. I find that the mentality of being considered blooped not so prevalent as before, especially if you can say you're doing some kind of preaching. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 22, 1999 Report Share Posted April 22, 1999 > > > I find that the mentality of being considered blooped not so prevalent as > before, especially if you can say you're doing some kind of preaching. Good. Do need to update my categorisations from time to time I guess. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 22, 1999 Report Share Posted April 22, 1999 On 22 Apr 1999, Anantarupa das wrote: Dear Prabhu, Pamho Agtsp I have just spent five hours crafting a very careful response to your thoughtful letter. Thank you for taking the time to respond. However, that letter, somehow, some way, got zapped into the ether, even though I saved it, and since it's 2:15 in the morning, I don't have the heart to start all over again. I did want to say that I am not all criticizing Samba Prabhu for his words or actions, nor do I feel I was "lecturing" him but perhaps that wasn't so clear. I very much support his endeavors, even though I don't know him particularly well. But I do think he and I have a good chance to understand each other, based on what I know of him from his past contributions to this conference. I do feel that I may have not been very clear, and so there is a little bit of misunderstanding. When I have recovered from the lost of my post, I will address your concerns in depth. I can't help but think that Krsna doesn't want me spending so much time on COM.Your servant,Tualsi-priya dasi Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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