Guest guest Posted April 25, 1999 Report Share Posted April 25, 1999 > This is news for me. > I´ve heard of poorly managed cows in ISKCON and I thought this is what was > rumoured about - but cowslaughter?! > Another veiled aspect of ISKCON (hopefully) past? > Is this true, and if, what is the story, anybody? I have to admit that this makes me curious, too. But I can understand it if this is not the proper forum to discuss it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 14, 1999 Report Share Posted May 14, 1999 Re: Cowslaughter in ISKCON? >>> > At 2:44 -0800 4/25/99, COM: Jatukarnya (das) CI (Cintamani Intl, Oslo - >>> > N) wrote: >>> > >I have to admit that this makes me curious, too. But I can understand >>> > >it if this is not the proper forum to discuss it. >>> >>> Yes, we can discuss what is male and what is female as relevant topics >but >>> not cow slaughter. >> >>The way you threw out your accusation, I thought that it could be wise to >>try to cool it down a little. Now things have happened anyway, and it seems >>like your first accusation was pretty weakly founded. > >I am educated in agriculture and there has been no reasonable justification >on the numbers of the N.V. herd. This is a very serious matter which was >brought to my attention by Balabhadra & Chaya and I reported on it as I felt >I must in the newsletter. Please read other submissions written that will >accompany this one. >> >>> By the way, it is not the accusation of one member but >>> rather the position of the Iskcon Minister of Agriculture. Doesn't that >>> have any merit for you? >> >>Well, ISCOWP have already submitted their comment now, and it was not >>entirely negative towards New Vrindavana or the devotees you accused. >>Doesn't that have any merit for you? > >I have not been on the conference for nearly 2 1/2 weeks and am only >responding to the email I have received. If needed, I will comment on their >statements when I read them. >> >>> Is cow protection not part of varnasrama? >> >>It is an important part of varnasrama. I am happy that the discussion has >>gone on here. As usual, you attack before checking out what I meant. I am >>sure I am not the only one who feel like I have been unreasonably attacked >>by you the last 2 weeks. >> >>>Have you >>> read the Bhagavad Gita? >> >>Bhagavad what? Never heard of it. >> >>> > I don't know what the proper forum is, but it certainly felt improper >to >>> > read such an accusation in the context of one member wanting to >>> > discredit another member during a discussion of a completely different >>> > topic. >>> >>> Such is the madness of the varnasrama conference and the Internet in >>> general. >> >>Was that an apologize? Or do you blame internet for your mistakes? Or maybe >>the varnasrama development conferance is to blame? > >No I don't think I was apologizing. Yes, there has definitely been bad >experiences with Madhava Ghosh as mentioned earlier. But to think that we >can't discuss such an important issue in this conference is short-sighted. >Especially, when there seems that a coverup is continuing to be orchestrated >in this conference. I don't think it matters how the discussion started but >rather it has started and is important. > >The devotees have many misconceptions on how cows and oxen are to fit into >our communities. This comes from our urban upbringing and can be shown by >our many failures, including N.V. to name just one. > >Yes, I do find the quality of discussions here to be very poor. My rantings >are just one example. I cannot believe that Srila Prabhupada would be >pleased by many of the topics discussed here. As said previously, this >conference has taken the place of the discussion conf. >> >>> > Prsni Prabhu? What do you think? Should we discuss accusations of cow >>> > slaughter in ISKCON here, or would you rather that discussion move to >>> > e.g the cow protection conference? If such a discussion is to take >>> > place, are there any ground rules to keep it somewhat sane? >>> >>> Yes, Prsni dasi is certainly the person we want to find out from in >>> regards to what is sane and what is not. >> >>You are always polite and respectful. That is very nice about you. If you >>did not know it, Prsni is the organizer of this conferance, and that was >the >>reason why Madhusudhani asked Prsni. > >And that is why I said what I said. She/he is the organizer and can direct >things as she/he wishes. >> >>> Hopefully, whatever decision is >>> made we can follow it on all strings of conversation/discussion. I would >>> think that coming to an understanding of the evils of the dairy business >>> is important to varnasrama development since it has dragged down >>> practically every project in the movement. >> >>If such a discussion could be held without you throwing your accusations >and >>attacks out left and right, then I agree that we can all benefit from it. >>But it is tough for many on this forum to associate with you as it is now. > >The accusations have not only flowed from me. He says I am lying, he says he >has a poor memory. I can easily reproduce a letter written to two Maharajas >in N.V. at the time of all this happening that details everything I have >said. So it isn't my memory that is faulty. >> >>> Perhaps we can start handing out condoms to the bulls. >> >>I actually think that was a funny joke. I see that you can be funny, and >you >>have good points. But you don't seem to see that anyone else have good >>points, and you don't get their jokes. How do you think you will be acepted >>on this forum with such a mood? > >They'll have to be big ones. I have never said that I am the only one who >has good points. But I will certainly try to refute points that seem to me >to be in direct contradiction of sastra. I do not have all the answers but >will try to participate as I see fit. Remember, this all started with my >inquiry about Malati wearing saffron. I have checked the folio and cannot >find any reference to a woman wearing saffron except for Mother Yasoda who >wore a saffron/yellow sari and Sati when she decided to end her life. Other >than that the only references to women and saffron are to the gopis and >queens of Dwaraka having saffron on their breasts (oh my God, did I do it >again?!) >> > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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