Pushing to initiation

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> But whom do you want to blame for your own estimation (and

> conviction) that the person whom you asked for initiation was a

> bona fide guru? The GBC? Him? You are indeed, in this discussion,

> demonstrating the profile of a person who is quite capable for making own

> conclusions independently of ISCKON authority structure.

>

> It was not him who came to bow down infront of you to get you as

> his disciple, after all. Why is it unfair to propose that you

> also got your shares in the issue?

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>

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> ys mnd

 

Hare Krishna Mahanidhi and Jatukarnya.

This is interesting. I think many chooses their guru out of "social

pressure". I for one did (partially), I can see that when I look back.

 

When a person has so many followers (nice ones too), when he seems to have

all the answers to all questions, when everybody thinks he would be a nice

choice, when you also think he is a nice person, when there are not anyway

so many others to "choose", then what will you say when somebody tells you

that you "have" to have a guru (the sooner the better) to perform devotional

service as best as possible.

 

How can anyone (new bhakta from the street) tell if a guru will fall??

 

Kali-yuga means there are risks everywhere, and being a guru is a great risk

to take, because you need to forsake "the world" and be real humble. That´s

very, very difficult, nowadays.

 

I think the prospect disciple should be informed that he also is taking a

risk. and he should be well aware of the depth of the relationship. (Tough

one when you are young and proud.)

 

Sometimes the vows are made to look very easily: "Follow the four regulative

principles, chant Hare Krishna and there you go." It´s not always that

simple, as history has shown.

 

We should not be so keen on making initiates in ISKCON, imho, rather we

should work on the basis, being happy in chanting, dancing, eating prasadam,

etc, and then wait for people to THEMSELVES step forwards, if they want to

be more involved.

 

Personally I would have liked that.

 

In my case a picture of Sri Visnupada was directly put on my alter with the

remark, "you need this one to make it perfect".

 

Anyway, I still think it was Krishnas arrangement amd I´m very grateful to

the devotees and former Harikesa Swami for what they did.

 

your servant Trayimaya dasa

 

PS: Hare Krishna tolerant readers, I hope you´ll bear with the

"non-varnasram" topic.