Initiation (?)

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> Certainly, when the sadhu appears, that is when the challenge begins. I

> was just joking with my brother in law yesterday, that we will pray and

> pray for this pure bhakta, and then when he appears, suddenly it will be

> like, Oh No, now we have to surrender!

 

I won't "worry" at all about surrendering to such a _sadhu_, after

so many TPs ad TCs and DMs and other authorities that we were in the

situation of surrendering to in ISCKON. I mean, it's easier to surrender

to somebody for whom you are convinced that is an uttama-adhikari (like

Prabhupada), than to someone whom you are convinced that is next to

nuts (it happens, it happens), but he happened to be "in the line",

so you bite your lips and do what he tells you. I guess we all have

the experience.

 

 

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> Without surrender to such a person, you cant get anywhere. It is described

> that guru gives two things. Kripa (mercy) and Vanchana (cheating). If your

> guru tells you to do some service, and you say, 'well guru maharaja, I

> would like to do that, but I have this problem', so he says 'what do YOU

> want to do then', 'Oh gurumaharaj I want to do this thing and that thing'.

> So he will agree, 'Ok you do'. So that means you got cheated.

 

Well, for that matter, it doesn't have to be necessarily a sadhu, a

spotless infallible Vaisnava, in order to get from the proper engagement

in Prabhupada's mission, does it? I am more than sure that your good

self would be quite capable to tell someone "No, 'this thing and

that thing' that you want to do is not good, the service to Krsna is

better for you."

 

All the gurus in ISKCON (regardless of wether they are/not uttamas)

are giving Krpa and not Vanchana, so long so they are engaging their

disciples in some of aspects of service to Prabhupada and Krsna.

Surrendering to such a person you *can* get somewhere, even if

he might be pretty "common" bhakta.

 

I don't know why are you constantly insisting on appearance of

a sadhu, pure infallible bhakta (that we got to pray for) as

the only way "for getting somewhere". I find this to be unfair

to both thousands of ISKON devotees who are giving their youth

(and now even old/er age) in service to Prabhupada's mission

of spreading KC, and to their gurus who are engaging them in

that.

 

 

 

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