Initiation (?)

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On 13 May 1999, Samba das wrote:

 

 

 

>How do you know they made spiritual advancement, and

> not simply Sukriti? How does one define how much spiritual advancement one

> has made?

 

 

Isn't it measured by how much one remembers Krsna? Personally, I know my daily

remembrance of Krsna has increased over the last 26 years, albeit gradually.

 

Have none of Srila Prabhupada's disciples made any advancement since he

"left"?

 

 

 

> It's like once one has that connection, all reading he does will

> be automaticaly understood properly, because he has got the mercy by

> surrendering to his guru.

 

 

So surrendering means ONLY full, 100% surrender, otherwise one does not

advance?

 

 

 

> If he surrenders to the order of his guru, completely,

> the guru can transmit all understanding into that disciples heart. The

> amazing thing is that it is all done by mercy, and NOT by our endeavour.

 

 

Isn't this "ritvik" philosophy?

 

 

 

> There is never any seperation, this is an esoteric thing. Once one has the

> contact, and makes the surrender, the connection is made.

 

 

And if there is no "contact"? Most of Srila Prabhupada's disciples had no

"personal/bodilycontact" with Srila Prabhupada. No connection made?

And those disciples of fallen gurus they have not made any advancement at all

because they never had any bonafide "contact" with a pure guru? They have been

serving Srila Prabhupada, I thought.

 

 

 

> However if those thousand actualy want some name and fame, some position,

> some comfort, some recognition, they wont get mercy. Look how many of

> Prabhupadas disciples left. You yourself admitted many times that you had

> some material contaminations. So out of those thousands that Prabhupada was

> surrounded by, how many were actualy ready to surrender?

 

 

 

So you have to be clean BEFORE you get into the shower and then you can make

"advancement"?