Initiation (?)

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> I am sure Srila Prabhupada would be pleased with any sincere service in

> ISKCON. I am also sure he would be disgusted with Harikesa for misleading

> his disciples for so long.

 

How is this now? Not to speak of others, but I spent *all* my 14

years under the guidance of Harikesa *in full-time service* to

Prabhupada. Mostly in BBT. I went out on sankirtan first. The run

printing and book-binding machines in BBT-Press, then did montage,

repro, design, font-editig... day in and day out (and even nights).

Served Radha-Krsna Deities on altar as pujari in "free time", from

awaking Them in 3'30 till putting Them to rest, till 21'30.

 

I mean, this Harikesa was really misleading me for so long,

Prabhupada must be disgusted with it. Really. But, see the

"hack," he (Prabhupada) is pleased now with what I was doing

by following such misleading Harikesa. And he is disgusted

with Harikesa for his misleading his disciples into raising

the production and distribution of his (Prabhupada's) books

till extent none else did in ISCKON. And we poor fellows

("those who wanted to be cheated") let ourselves to be mislead

on such disgusting way.

 

I guess it's again me being cynical here.

 

 

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> That Prabhupada could give them his mercy anyway. That's why I

> > argued. I tried to "save" my 14 years of life.

>

> I think you are in too much of a rush. 14 years is nothing in the space of

> eternal time. How many lives have you been pursuing spritual life anyway,

> any idea? The problem is we have been mislead by people who were false

> gurus. You have been burned by a false guru, but it was you who

> surrendered to him, so you only have yourself to blame.

 

So is 1'000'000 of this Universe creations - nothin' in the space

of eternal time. Ain't me now really philosophical?

 

But can you finally explain it, how that I have been mislead for

14 years? WHAT wrong instructions, for God's sake, you are aware of

that I was receiving in those 14 years (that are nothin' in the

face of eternal time)???

 

 

> Of course you were

> probabaly coerced into it, as were many, what can be done. The siddhanta

> does not change because a few people mislead.

>

 

I don't undrestand what you mean.

 

 

> You have made a lot of progress, if you really did sincere unmotivated

> service for that time. If your intention was completely pure, then you

> could be only moments away from discovering your eternal guru (and I maan

> a real one). It all depends on YOUR heart. If you are REALLY sincere you

> will get help. Lord Krsna does not lie. YOU get what you want.

 

Ahhhghhh...!!! "if your intention was **completely** pure"... "if you

did sincere **unmotivated** service **all** the time"...

Get serious. Totally, fully, completely, and all the time.

 

Then I don't need that "real one" Guru. Then I am that one you

are praying for to show up himself to ISCKON.

 

 

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> I could have run off with Jayatirtha, dropped acid, and danced naked in

> front of the dieties, but it did not appeal to me somehow.

>

 

I am grateful and indebted to Harikesa for his guiding me and engaging

me in service to Prabhupada, from the moment I came to ISCKON till

the moment he left ISCKON.

 

(see, I can sometimes be good in cynizam-free talk also)

 

 

> You have your free will and can do as you wish. I dont think any of Srila

> Prabhupadas followers would reccomend you leave ISKCON, but you have to do

> what you feel best. Srila Prabhupada tells us that we have to accept what

> is best for our advancement, and reject what is not. That is an individual

> instruction, you have to act on it.

 

Why do you think that "leaving ISCKON" in order to get finally in

contact with an acarya, a pure devotee, to get initiated from,

would not be recommended by any of Srila Prabhupada's followers?

 

 

>

> So basicaly you are sying that sticking to principals is the problem. We

> should not stick to principles?

 

Basically I am saying that Krsna is not a bureaucrat. Not that

unless your initiating guru is an uttama-bhakta, He doesn't give

credit for what you might be doing for Him. That He gonna not

grant you the access to understanding Srila Prabhupada's books.

That you are not going to begin with your actual spiritual

advancement.

 

Basically I am against sticking to the principles that got no

clear guru-sadhu-sastra reference. Where is it said that if

a guru is not a nitya-siddha, that he is not a guru at all?

That a madhyama-adhikari Vaisnava [Prabhupada disciple] is

incapable of connecting us to the Guru-parampara [to Srila

Prabhupada] and Krsna?

 

 

 

 

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