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> On 13 May 1999, Samba das wrote:

>

> > That would be impersonal. Anyone can say, Oh I got the instruction from

> > the books. Spiritual life means discipline, being disciplined by the

> > guru.

>

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> I never once was disciplined "personally/directly/bodily" by Srila

> Prabhupada and neither were thousands of my godbrothers. What of us,

> Prabhu? We have only had his indirect instructions given to us via his

> authorized representatives and mostly his books. Did he not accept any of

> our service?

 

Maybe you should judge from your own experience, as to how much advancement

you have made in spiritual life, according to Bhakti Rasamrita sindhu, and

judge yourself if you still need help. I would have thought that if you

actualy dont really know if you were ever really initated then you would

need to find someone who can answer that question. Why ask me, I am

certainly not qualified to answer. All I can do is repeat the words in

Prabhupadas books where he lays out the process.

 

Prabhupada does tell us that we have to seek out someone who is qualified,

so if you really want to know, you have to find that person.

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"WWW: Janesvara (Dasa) ACBSP (Syracuse - USA)" wrote:

 

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> On 12 May 1999, Madhava Gosh wrote:

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> > So you sponsor him, good thing. Question, if he surrenders, will you

> absorb

> > the karma or will you expect Srila Prabhupada to do so?

> >

>

> Fair question. I believe I am not qualified to accept him as a disciple and

> thereby accept his karma, but I will accept any responsibility which Krsna

and

> Srila Prabhupada would expect of me for my humble part.

 

At some point someone has to take the karma. Personally, I don't think it is

fair to nurture someone along, then at the critical point, just turn and say

I'm

going to dump all the karma on Srila Prabhupada, which is what I percieve the

rittviks as doing. I think you need to be confident enough in your opinion of

the

candidate to be willing to take the lkarma yourself, or at least let the diksa

guru have the option of reviewing the candidate, which Srila Prabhupada did

have

whilst on the planet, even if to our eyes it seemed he was just far far away

and uninvolved.

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