Guest guest Posted May 14, 1999 Report Share Posted May 14, 1999 Please accept my humble obeisances. All glories to Srila Prabhupada. Purport to canto 8 ch.20 text 12 "The Supreme Personality of Godhead, Lord Visnu, is worshiped by the proper execution of prescribed duties in the system of varna and asrama. There is no other way to satisfy the Supreme Personality of Godhead."(Visnu Purana 3.8.9.) One must ultimately worship Lord Visnu, and for that purpose the varnasrama system organizes society into brahmanas, ksatriyas, vaisyas, sudras, brahmacaris, grhasta, vanaprastas and sannyasis. Bali Maharaja, having been perfectly educated in devotional service by his grandfather Prahlada Maharaja, knew how things are to be done. He was never to be misguided by anyone, even by a person who happened to be his so-called spiritual master. This is a sign of full surrender. Bhaktivinoda Thakura said: marabi rakhabi - yo iccha tohara nitya-dasa-prati tuya adhikara When one surrenders to Lord Visnu, one must be prepared to abide by his orders in all circumstances, whether He kills one or gives one protection. Lord Visnu must be worshiped in all circumstances." Purport to text 14 "The difference between the behavior of Bali Maharaja and that of his spiritual master, Sukracarya, was that Bali Maharaja had already developed love of Godhead, whereas Sukracarya, being merely a priest of routine rituals, had not. Thus Sukracarya was never inspired by the Supreme Personality of Godhead to develop in devotional service. As stated by the Lord Himself in Bhagavad Gita (10.10): "To those who are constantly devoted and worship Me with love, I give the understanding by which they can come to Me." My understanding after reading these verses and the different interesting viewpoints on this conference is that even if someone might be already elevated to the stage of love of Godhead,(by associating with the grandfather/Srila Prabhupada for instance) we should still follow the system of varnasrama which includes siksa and diksa from a bonafide spiritual master. We should also be extremely careful about making judgements of the advancement of others based on their material situation. There are unlimited varieties and mixtures of karma, modes of nature and levels of spiritual elevation and each living entity has his/her own tests to pass. Better safe than sorry! "When Vamanadeva appeared before Bali Maharaja, Bali Maharaja immediately wanted to offer Him respectful obeisances, but he was unable to do so because of the presence of Sukracarya and other demoniac associates. The Lord is so merciful, however, that although Bali Maharaja did not actually offer obeisances but only endeavoured to do so within his mind, the Supreme Personality of Godhead blessed him with more mercy than even the demigods could ever expect. As confirmed in Bhagavad Gita (2.40) "Even a little advanchement on this path can protect one from the most dangerous type of fear." The Supreme Personality of Godhead is known as bhava-grahi janardana because He takes only the essence of a devotees attitude. If a devotee sincerely surrenders, the Lord, as the Supersoul in everyones heart, immediately understands this. Thus even though, externally, a devotee may not render full service, if he is internally sincere and serious the Lord welcomes his service nonetheless. Thus the Lord is known as bhava-grahi janardana because He takes the essence of one's devotional mentality." With all respect Your servant Gunamani d.d. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 14, 1999 Report Share Posted May 14, 1999 Hare Krsna! Very nice research, Prabhu. Looks like you had a very good time of chanting your rounds today! your servant, Hare Krsna dasi "COM: Gunamani (dd) ARD (Arhus - DK)" wrote: > [Text 2317494 from COM] > > Please accept my humble obeisances. All glories to Srila Prabhupada. > > Purport to canto 8 ch.20 text 12 > "The Supreme Personality of Godhead, Lord Visnu, is worshiped by the proper > execution of prescribed duties in the system of varna and asrama. There is > no other way to satisfy the Supreme Personality of Godhead."(Visnu Purana > 3.8.9.) One must ultimately worship Lord Visnu, and for that purpose the > varnasrama system organizes society into brahmanas, ksatriyas, vaisyas, > sudras, brahmacaris, grhasta, vanaprastas and sannyasis. Bali Maharaja, > having been perfectly educated in devotional service by his grandfather > Prahlada Maharaja, knew how things are to be done. He was never to be > misguided by anyone, even by a person who happened to be his so-called > spiritual master. This is a sign of full surrender. Bhaktivinoda Thakura > said: > marabi rakhabi - yo iccha tohara > nitya-dasa-prati tuya adhikara > > When one surrenders to Lord Visnu, one must be prepared to abide by his > orders in all circumstances, whether He kills one or gives one protection. > Lord Visnu must be worshiped in all circumstances." > > Purport to text 14 > "The difference between the behavior of Bali Maharaja and that of his > spiritual master, Sukracarya, was that Bali Maharaja had already developed > love of Godhead, whereas Sukracarya, being merely a priest of routine > rituals, had not. Thus Sukracarya was never inspired by the Supreme > Personality of Godhead to develop in devotional service. As stated by the > Lord Himself in Bhagavad Gita (10.10): > "To those who are constantly devoted and worship Me with love, I give the > understanding by which they can come to Me." > > My understanding after reading these verses and the different interesting > viewpoints on this conference is that even if someone might be already > elevated to the stage of love of Godhead,(by associating with the > grandfather/Srila Prabhupada for instance) we should still follow the system > of varnasrama which includes siksa and diksa from a bonafide spiritual > master. We should also be extremely careful about making judgements of the > advancement of others based on their material situation. There are unlimited > varieties and mixtures of karma, modes of nature and levels of spiritual > elevation and each living entity has his/her own tests to pass. Better safe > than sorry! > > "When Vamanadeva appeared before Bali Maharaja, Bali Maharaja immediately > wanted to offer Him respectful obeisances, but he was unable to do so > because of the presence of Sukracarya and other demoniac associates. The > Lord is so merciful, however, that although Bali Maharaja did not actually > offer obeisances but only endeavoured to do so within his mind, the Supreme > Personality of Godhead blessed him with more mercy than even the demigods > could ever expect. As confirmed in Bhagavad Gita (2.40) "Even a little > advanchement on this path can protect one from the most dangerous type of > fear." The Supreme Personality of Godhead is known as bhava-grahi janardana > because He takes only the essence of a devotees attitude. If a devotee > sincerely surrenders, the Lord, as the Supersoul in everyones heart, > immediately understands this. Thus even though, externally, a devotee may > not render full service, if he is internally sincere and serious the Lord > welcomes his service nonetheless. Thus the Lord is known as bhava-grahi > janardana because He takes the essence of one's devotional mentality." > > With all respect > Your servant Gunamani d.d. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 14, 1999 Report Share Posted May 14, 1999 Hare Krsna! Very nice research, Prabhu. Looks like you had a very good time of chanting your rounds today! your servant, Hare Krsna dasi "COM: Gunamani (dd) ARD (Arhus - DK)" wrote: > [Text 2317494 from COM] > > Please accept my humble obeisances. All glories to Srila Prabhupada. > > Purport to canto 8 ch.20 text 12 > "The Supreme Personality of Godhead, Lord Visnu, is worshiped by the proper > execution of prescribed duties in the system of varna and asrama. There is > no other way to satisfy the Supreme Personality of Godhead."(Visnu Purana > 3.8.9.) One must ultimately worship Lord Visnu, and for that purpose the > varnasrama system organizes society into brahmanas, ksatriyas, vaisyas, > sudras, brahmacaris, grhasta, vanaprastas and sannyasis. Bali Maharaja, > having been perfectly educated in devotional service by his grandfather > Prahlada Maharaja, knew how things are to be done. He was never to be > misguided by anyone, even by a person who happened to be his so-called > spiritual master. This is a sign of full surrender. Bhaktivinoda Thakura > said: > marabi rakhabi - yo iccha tohara > nitya-dasa-prati tuya adhikara > > When one surrenders to Lord Visnu, one must be prepared to abide by his > orders in all circumstances, whether He kills one or gives one protection. > Lord Visnu must be worshiped in all circumstances." > > Purport to text 14 > "The difference between the behavior of Bali Maharaja and that of his > spiritual master, Sukracarya, was that Bali Maharaja had already developed > love of Godhead, whereas Sukracarya, being merely a priest of routine > rituals, had not. Thus Sukracarya was never inspired by the Supreme > Personality of Godhead to develop in devotional service. As stated by the > Lord Himself in Bhagavad Gita (10.10): > "To those who are constantly devoted and worship Me with love, I give the > understanding by which they can come to Me." > > My understanding after reading these verses and the different interesting > viewpoints on this conference is that even if someone might be already > elevated to the stage of love of Godhead,(by associating with the > grandfather/Srila Prabhupada for instance) we should still follow the system > of varnasrama which includes siksa and diksa from a bonafide spiritual > master. We should also be extremely careful about making judgements of the > advancement of others based on their material situation. There are unlimited > varieties and mixtures of karma, modes of nature and levels of spiritual > elevation and each living entity has his/her own tests to pass. Better safe > than sorry! > > "When Vamanadeva appeared before Bali Maharaja, Bali Maharaja immediately > wanted to offer Him respectful obeisances, but he was unable to do so > because of the presence of Sukracarya and other demoniac associates. The > Lord is so merciful, however, that although Bali Maharaja did not actually > offer obeisances but only endeavoured to do so within his mind, the Supreme > Personality of Godhead blessed him with more mercy than even the demigods > could ever expect. As confirmed in Bhagavad Gita (2.40) "Even a little > advanchement on this path can protect one from the most dangerous type of > fear." The Supreme Personality of Godhead is known as bhava-grahi janardana > because He takes only the essence of a devotees attitude. If a devotee > sincerely surrenders, the Lord, as the Supersoul in everyones heart, > immediately understands this. Thus even though, externally, a devotee may > not render full service, if he is internally sincere and serious the Lord > welcomes his service nonetheless. Thus the Lord is known as bhava-grahi > janardana because He takes the essence of one's devotional mentality." > > With all respect > Your servant Gunamani d.d. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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