Guest guest Posted May 19, 1999 Report Share Posted May 19, 1999 Something from the cow conference some of you might find interesting. "Noelene Hawkins" <niscala99 (AT) hotmail (DOT) com> Thu 9:39 PM Subject: gobar again To: "COM: Cow (Protection and related issues)" <Cow (AT) com (DOT) bbt.se> [Text 2315900 from COM] Dear Prabhus, We have here one devotee, Gopinatha Acarya, whom some of you may know...he practised self-sufficiency for 12 years at New Govardhana and would like to make a few comments which you may find helpful. He's not connected, so its going through me.-YS, Niscala. Dear Prabhus, Please accept my humble obeisances. All glories to Srila Prabhupada! Regarding the discussion about gobar gas, one of the only references I came accross in Srila Prabhupada's conversations regarding gas is: 76-12-26: Room conversation, Bombay. In this conversation, Srila Prabhupada is pointing out the defect of machine. Its my practical experience after struggling with half-baked self-sufficiency for years, that practically any machine, even though it may seem to be helpful, is actually a hindrance. It is only helpful to "progress" towards a better machine, because the actual intent is to avoid the needful, and try to produce more than needed, and replace someone's labour. Thats why every machine is replaced by another: horses replaced bulls, tractors replaced horses, etc. We need an easily sustainable and maintenance-free system which we can show to everyone that's practical, that's right, best in the long run, and easy right here and now. Any machine is subject to breakdown and we are at the mercy of someone else and/or another machine to fix or replace parts and thus we're always in anxiety. Plus, that's not the example we want to preach, so where's the nectar? After all, we're going through all this because the world is crying out for the right alternative. Let me give a few examples from my own years of experience, which may save others, years of wasted time. The first crop of wheat we grew with the bulls was in 1989. After getting into the nectar of plowing with the bulls, acre after acre, the only practical thing to plant was grain. After watching it grow for a few months, we were waiting for some inspiration from Krsna how to harvest it, but eventually opted out to hire the local seed merchant's harvester for the one-off cost of $200 for about 3 acres. Then, after having it sit in bags through the summer, waiting for some inspiration how to grind it up, the weevils ate the lot. Never mind. Next year we plowed and planted another few acres and had in the back of the mnd to get a horse-drawn harvester, which sounded great but we didn't know what it was, or what it would take to pull it. Anyway, that didn't come through, and we resigned ourselves to poop out and hire the harvester again, when Bhakta Mick( who, inspired by the working of bullocks at New Govardhana, donated his 40 acre farm at that time), pushed us into surrender, by heading out into the paddock with a sickle. So a few of us got out there with sickles. We cut it, tied it with string, put it on carts and took it up the hill to the marble temple room with glass windows/walls and we hand-threshed them against the backs of benches, swept up the grain, hand winnowed it in plastic bowls and took the straw up to Bill's permaculture garden. This went on for about a week or more and we ended up with 1-1/2- 44 gallon (200 litre) drums of it . We had only done about 1/3 to 1/2 of it, when for various reasons I left and went to India for about a year. Meanwhile, the devotees weren't too keen on using it, because the inexperienced help left some small clods of dirt in the grain from the roots of the wheat, which had not been properly cut, but pulled out. So I don't know how much was used. We had a "Little Ark" vertical hand-grinder, converted to use with a washing machine motor which used to overheat and that didn't help inspire anyone to grind it up. The next time I didn't plant, but Lagudi did, and although he had done it just to fill up his paddock, we agreed to cut it with a newly acquired reaper and binder ($1,500 all up, from the back of whoop whoop: Walla Walla, 1,500 kms away *comment by Niscala: whoop whoop is Australian for remote place, the oo is short as in "cook"). It was only about an acre, and I hand threshed in the paddock as much as I could before some rain fell - about 1/4 44 gallon drum. The binder cuts and binds the standing crop and we pulled it in with two good, strong bulls, but they found it tough going and we had to stop often. Many times the cutting bar would jam up, and we had to stop to clear it. Later we pulled it with 4 bulls. It did a marvellous job, but I often wondered it would be easier in the long run to just get stuck into it and cut it by hand. We lost one of the fingers from the cutting bar, which didn';t help. The conveyor belts shrink when they get wet, so you can't afford to leave the machine out in the weather overnight, etc., etc. The knotting mechanism is also extremely temperamental, and as a point of interest, if you ever have such a machine, oil or grease the knotting mechanism, before you put it away for the next year so it doesn't rust, and its very hard to get at to polish with emery paper. But what to do with the sheaves? So, for one whole year I worked on getting a horse-drawn harvester, which I set up as a stationary thresher, with two bulls walking around a horse-gear, which by way of shafts and universal joints, ran the threshing drum at 1000 rpm. The front cutting mechanism was detached, and the drum exposed with the idea of feeding in the sheaves or holding in the sheaf , ears first, to beat off the grain. The rest of the mechanism would winnow clean the grain and theoretically we could bag it at the other end. Anyway the drum of course is not designed to handle so much straw, since harvesters just cut the top off the crop. The binder cuts sheaves in such a way, that although all the ends are all one way, the ears are all up and down inside the sheath, so you can't beat off the ears, but have to thresh the whole sheaf. The drum would jam up and the gear broke free of its footing. I always had a sneaking suspicion that all this rigmarole was going to be useless, because although one might get some compliments, engineering-wise or museum-wise, who on earth was going to go to all this trouble to get one of these old machines? Is that what we want to show anyway? If the bulls are walking around and around anyway, why not just try walking on top of the crop as they do in India? I never believed it would work, but finally decided to try it. I laid out some tarpaulins on top of the bitumen in the bottom carpark around a solitary tree (could have been a post). I tied a rope from the top of the bow and end of the yoke to the tree in such a way that the two bulls could walk around the tree on top of the crop (fenugreek) and in less than 2 hours all the seed had been threshed out by their feet and in conjunction with a hand-cranked winnower, had 50 kg of pure, clean fenugreek seed. Wow! What a breakthrough! What fun! Amazing! It really works and works best! The perfect procedure, for the small self-sufficient devotee farmer- vaisya, to get it all over and done with, with the minimum of fuss, expense, anxiety... So for a few years after that, the final procedure was to cut the crop with a sickle, put it unbound on a tarp, drag it out of the paddock with a pair of bulls, and walk two or four in tandem (S.B. recommends three abreast) on top of a concrete floor in a big barn. Vakuntha! No worries about the hot sun, sudden thunderstorms, etc., etc. Of course, I can't explain all the intricacies here (though it may seem I have) and there are plenty more considerations varnasrama wise i.e. distribution of he grain, proprietorship, etc., which we have not practically sorted out yet. The point I'm trying to make out of all this, is that we can philosophize about a lot of things for years, but there are many hidden traps to waylay us if we deviate an inch or become overintelligent and think we have a better way of doing something. (I must admit though, that of all the machines, the hand-cranked winnower was pretty handy. Of course, expert winnowers (matajis from India) could do better) Just another case in point, if you're prepared to read on. For years, I was thinking how to grind the grain with the bulls. I even had a mill lined up with 4 foot stones for $5,000 (cheap!), 5,000 kms away! (All for a few chappaties!). After spending a good part of my life finding out that you need an expert to dress, balance and set the stones, it all but turned me off.. Luckily, I found this reference in the conversations books: 770215: S.P.: No, there is no need of ox, individually, small grinding- capki (chaki), and in the morning they chant Hare Krsna and grind (sings) Hare Krsna, Hare Krsna..." Someone even gave me a new hand-grinder ($260) but STILL I was attached to the idea of avoiding the hard work of hand-grinding and went ahead with grandiose ideas of converting car diffs into bull gears and casting stones from cement. It wasn't until I actually tried the hand grinder and saw how easy it was to grind up enough flour for 10 or 20 chappaties that I never looked back. Why take one or more hours to catch and harness the bulls to grind up the grain (which is so precious), which is going to be stale the next day, and for whom? Every family grinds their own and invites a few guests to dinner. Vedic lifestyle mmeans simple, do-it-yourself, low maintenance, save time (in the long and short run): take personal responsibility for yourself, family, cows, and sadhus, brahmacaris, etc. BIG bhoga, Sunday feast, BIG temple programs means (at least right now till we're up and running- past self-sufficiency, all trained up in the varnas, busting at the seams with excess produce, bulls all engaged and protected and men all engaged)...in reality, buying bhoga as Srila Prabhupada suggested- even for the Hyderabad project, until such times as the locals participate. But I guarantee that any devotee who gets it together to train bulls, plow, plant and harvest, is going to call it quits when he's produced enough, and use the saved time for chanting, reading, etc. Now what to do with the flour for 10 or 20 chappaties? Are we going to set up a biogas digester? No way. Pick up a few cow pats regularly, from around the house, throw them on the wall, pick them up when they fall off dry, put them in a tin bucket stove, shove some straw from the corner left over from the harvest underneath as tinder,, light it up and boil the milk you've just milked. In this way just keep it simple. What to do with the left over ash? Use it for cleaning pots, making soap, or sprinkle it around your fruit trees or vegies. But of course, the cows and bulls are not always around so you only use some of their dung. If you want to compost it, great. Another suggestion is to hang two 1/2 full 40 kg feed bags of fresh manure on either side of a piece of wood on top of an open 44 gallon drum of water (hang them in the water) for a few weeks and give each plant 1/2 litre to a litre of the liquid fertilizer. This avoids the weed seeds, from using the fresh dung straight. My personal experience was to pick the best soil handy for growing vegetables, and don't worry about fertilizer. Certain vegetables grow best and stick to them. If you plant them at the right time you don't need to water them. As Srila Prabhupada said, if you grow one crop a year, the soil won't deplete. As for nitrogen, the plants get it from the atmosphere, and if we put it into the soil, the plants will take it at the expense of trace elements. Growing a crop of dahl (say dun field peas=yellow split peas) still leaves a net increase of nitrogen in the soil anyway and a crop of wheat next will benefit. Back to the biogas digester, I also spent long hours thinking about it, but when the temple wanted to get one together, I envisaged herds of cows and bulls being shunted around just for the dung supply at the expense of agricultural activity (which is foremost) and without cooperation of the cowherds and that department, I saw it as detrimental. If people want to live life artificially, let them live it somewhere else out of the way. Don't try to use the bulls and cows to support our ugra karma. First do agriculture with the bulls, and if after being fully satisfied with your agricultural produce, you want to embark on dubious projects such as growing lumber for houses, pumping megalitres of water for housing developments, grinding 1,000's of kilos of precious grain for fly-by-night non-varnasramites, driving tourists in bullock carts for a few miserly dollars, etc.,etc., well and good. But FIRST please produce your food and that of the animals. I guarantee that after that, you'll be fully satisfied and forget all other foolish schemes. Once again, the priority is to produce your own food. This will solve all the problems. All will become crystal clear, and all doubts, hallucinations, speculations and worries will disappear. They are all nightmares to haunt us and distract us from the real goal: Happy cows and bulls, happy healthy devotees-freed from anarthas- with lots of spare time for chanting, dancing and developing love of Godhead and going back home... Of course, this means varnasrama, trained up and cooperating leaders etc.,etc. Anyway, no offence intended. Please forgive any aparadhas... There is a good case for humus and organic matter, but if all this concern hampers us from achieving the end result, better not to worry about it. Unless its convenient, it just won't work. No one will do it, and we'll be discouraged. We don't want to spend too much time, languishing indefinitely, trying to sort out this varnasrama. Get right to the core of it: grains, dahl, milk, sugar, vegies, then cloth, oil, simple dwelling. Everything Srila Prabhupada said was right. Do it first and worry about the fine tuning later- it just may not matter Aside from the cloth and oil, and clay tiles for roofing, pretty much everything else has been sorted out. We need a varnasrama college; one farm "sacrificed" for simple living. I suggest New Govardhana. Anyone want to support this? Otherwise, I'm not familiar with any other climate or region agriculturally. Its now or never. All of our problems can be traced to lack of implementation of varnasrama: As Srila Prabhupada pointed out to Ramesvara prabhu: "If you want to save yourself also, you do this." 77-01-21 "We should be satisfied locally...this is the ideal life..." "We keep the ideal life...if there is Krsna consciousness..." and to Hamsaduta prabhu: 77-10-08: "No luxuries...is that clear?" And it IS clear indeed. This, you can say is THE FINAL ORDER- October 8th,9th, one month before Srila Prabhupada's passing away. His final instruction to his finest men. "They have no solution actually...innocent and simple food" 75-05-14 The solution, the whole solution and the only solution...So, help us, Krsna. Your servant, Gopinatha Acarya das. P.S.: If anyone doesn't believe that every problem, individually and collectively in ISKCON isn't the result of the above cause, I'm quite happy to explain it. * ____ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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