Guru, sadhu and sastra.

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On 22 May 1999, Gunamani dd wrote:

 

> I see no contradiction and I really don´t understand why you do,

 

 

I don't. If you are satisfied with your relationship with your guru, fine.

Other's are not satisfied with their relationship with their gurus or their

gurus were bogus and fell down big time and they are in search of another who

is not bogus.

 

I am very happy you see no contradiction and therefore I am sure you would

have no objection that they seek the shelter of Srila Prabhupada's lotus feet

and accept him as their guru?

 

 

> Sorry Prabhu, but to me it sounds like you

> are making something very simple very complicated.

 

 

I'm sorry. It seems very simple to me. And has been always through Srila

Prabhupada.

 

 

 

> At Srila Prabhupadas lotusfeet I find the instructions to surrender to a

> spiritual master (As confirmed in sastra).

 

 

I'm sorry, are you saying Srila Prabhupada is not a spiritual master? As

confirmed in sastra?

 

 

> And my spiritual master instructs

> me to read Srila Prabhupadas books and follow his instructions.

 

 

That sounds fine.

 

 

 

> > "I shall remain your personal guidance, physically present or not

> > physically, as I am getting personal guidance from my Guru Maharaja."

> > (Conv. 7/14/77)

>

 

> Please read that quote again.

 

 

Yes sir! You're right I am really a poor reader.

 

 

> "I shall remain your personal guidance, physically present or not

> physically, as I am getting personal guidance from my Guru Maharaja."

> Srila Prabhupada is getting personal guidance from his Guru Maharaja, his

> disciples are getting personal guidance from their Guru Maharaja,

 

 

Unfortunately you seem to forget about the thousands of disciples who were

left out in the cold by bogus gurus as the result of being coerced into a guru

relationship which did not look carefully enough at the qualifications

necessary to become a guru.

 

 

>why should the whole process suddenly change?

 

 

Suddenly change to what. To the way Srila Prabhupada has always done things?

His way worked for everyone because he never fell down. People who are looking

for an unquestionable uttama-adhikari guru can feel assured of spiritual

success by accepting him as their guru.

 

Can you show me anywhere in his books where he directly said that after he

left the planet no one could accept him as their guru?

 

 

Srila Prabhupada has this to say:

 

"Regarding parampara system: there is nothing to wonder for big gaps.[...] we

find in the Bhagavad-gita that the Gita was taught to the sungod, some

millions of years ago, but Krishna has mentioned only three names in this

parampara system--namely, Vivasvan, Manu, and Iksvaku; and so these gaps do

not hamper from understanding the parampara system. We have to pick up the

prominent acaryas, and follow from him.[...] We have to pick up from the

authority of the acharya in whatever sampradaya we belong to."

(Letter Dayananda 4/12/68)

 

Visvanatha Cakravarti Thakur's guru, as you probably know (and is listed in

the front of the Bg), was Narottama Dasa Thakur who "died" 100 years earlier.

How could this occur?

 

yfs,

Jd