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On 23 May 1999, Mahanidhi das wrote:

 

> > What is it that happened between Narottama dasa Thakur and Srila

> > Visvanatha Cakravarti Thakur?

>

> Wait a moment! You don't now start making me to speculate

> in your name. *You* tell us wether the former took the

> diksa from the later or not.

 

 

The former definitely did not take diksa from the later.

 

 

 

> > Narottama dasa Thakur was "departed" for 100

> > years but Srila Visvanatha Cakravarti Thakur accepted him as his guru.

> > This is in our parampara.

>

> As a **diksa** guru? Where did you get this information from?

 

 

I never said anything about diksa, did I? Again you put words in my mouth.

Please stay out of my mouth.

 

 

Whether there was formal Pacharatrika diksa or not does not seem to matter

obviously. Bona fide parampara was maintained either way.

 

 

Are you saying that Srila Visvanatha Cakravarti Thakur may not be a bona fide

parampara guru because he may not have taken formal diksa from his bona fide

guru?

 

 

"Initiation or no initiation, first thing is knowledge. ...Initiation is

formality. Just like you go to a school for knowledge, and admission is

formality. That is not very important thing."

(Conv. 10/16/76

 

 

Diksa in ISKCON, in general, has become a convenient excuse to manage, or more

accurately, control people and profit from it, because the "so-called leaders"

will not take up the true management institution of varnasrama-dharma.

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> If all of us were to

> live eternaly, we would be sitting at our computers, arguing eternaly over

> what Srila Prabhupada meant here, and what he meant there, and never getting

> anywhere nearer. It might be simpler to just admit we need help, and ask the

> lord to send it.

 

This is starting to sound like the Ramayana. If an infinite number of _______

sat at an infinite number of terminals for an infinite amount of time, we

would

have an infinite number of interpretations of what is was Srial Prabhupada

said.

 

Philosophy can point the way; it remains for those with eyes to see.

Plotinus.

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