Guest guest Posted May 25, 1999 Report Share Posted May 25, 1999 On 24 May 1999, Janesvara Dasa wrote: > > Are you saying there have been no serious problems in ISKCON since the demise of the zonal acarya system? > Of course not, just that Krsna is so merciful that He is always sending new varieties of problems -- not that we need to live forever in the early eighties to feel we have problems. > Just the one fact alone that "they", our > eminent leaders, have failed to even come close for 25 years to establishing varnasrama-dharma after mountains of emphasis by their guru would lead any sane person to question the judgment of such leaders. That's besides the continued abuse of women, cows and children over the last 10 years since the demise of their bogus zonal acarya system. > There will always be abuse -- but I am in no way condoning that -- I am simply stating it as a fact. As our brahminical culture within ISKCON increases, so will also the influence of the mode of goodnes in all our dealings. The mode of goodness cannot be leglislated. Practicing Krsna consciousness doesn not gaurentee us a lifetime pass to hang out with Ms. Jean on the Romper Room show. > > > Some were definitely not "saved from material life" before they were allowed by our leaders to be put into positions which allowed them to mentally and physically abuse their disciples. One would naturally be wary of the judgment of such leaders. Are all those leaders gone now? > In the case of the NY temple chicken on the altar situation, Prabhupada also blamed the followers. At some point is becomes a cop out to simply point fingers at 'those leaders over there'. Do not worry, 'those' leaders will all be culpable for their actions, as so shall we too. > > > If a person dedicated his life to reading, studying, worshiping those > Bhaktivedanta purports accepting Srila Prabhupada only as his siksa guru would he meet with success? By success I mean Krsna consciousness. > All the activities of our ISKCON institution are meant to be based on Srila Prabhupada's purports. Our practice of the disciplic succession is also based on Prabhupada's puports. Surely for a devotee to guide his personal life based on Prabhupada's purports will bring nothing but auspiciousness. But basing one's life on serving Srila Prabhupada does not endorse some neophyte idea that I am okay, and everyone else who I find disagreable is simply a bogus practitioner of Srila Prabhupada's numerous instructions. ys, Sthita Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 25, 1999 Report Share Posted May 25, 1999 On 24 May 1999, Madhusudani Radha wrote: > >It > >> seems quite clear that Narottama dasa Thakur was Srila Visvanatha Cakravarti > >> Thakur's *siksa* guru. Where is the evidence that he was his *diksa* guru. > > > > > >Duh. That was my whole point. I never said Visvanatha Cakravarti took diksa > >from Narottama das Thakur, did I? > > > >Seems the relationship worked out just fine for Visvanatha Cakravarti. > > OK, now I'm with you and can finally answer your question to me. Yes, of > course I think Prabhupada can be the only guru to newcomers, who don't feel > inspired by any of the current gurus. And yes, I believe that they can > still make spiritual advancement, develop a relationship with him and > ultimately go back Home. But only as siksa, not diksa guru. Fine. That's about all I'm saying. (Maybe a little more here or there but this will do just fine for now!) Do I speak in Greek or something to everyone else and you just know Greek? Thanks, Prabhu. Your answers are clear and concise. > > The fact that I hope they also do meet up with other gurus who inspire them > (as diksa or siksa gurus) is a separate issue. Agreed. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 25, 1999 Report Share Posted May 25, 1999 On 24 May 1999, Madhusudani Radha wrote: > > The fact that I hope they also do meet up with other gurus who inspire them (as diksa or siksa gurus) is a separate issue. > > Ys, > Madhusudani dasi > If someone wishes to serve Srila Prabhupada so intensely, one can at least respect the diksa guru as a senior devotee in Srila Prabhupada's disciplic line. At least the respect and honor afforded to a senior Vaisnava can always be there, and that would seem to be the most basic expression of a sense of gratitute and humility allowed within the confines of Vaisnava ettiquette. ys, Sthita-dhi Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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