Guest guest Posted June 4, 1999 Report Share Posted June 4, 1999 > > > > Are there any ISKCON gurus who are determining the varnas of their > > disciples now? I have requested a list of the same but as yet have not > > received a single name. > I know of many who are guiding their disciples into both materially and > spiritual longterm circumstances. However I would not bring up any names > here because you would want me to defend my statement and I am unqualified > for such a task and would feel like intruding on other persons private > life. "ISCKON guru" is really some undefined term/position. He is seen as a kind of an ISCKON officer, thus people feel the right to demand from him to perform this "social job" as they think he ought to. Like here, Janesvara thinks they got order to be a "varna gurus", and he thinks he got the right to get on their case for not performing their ISCKON job rightly (in his conception of "rightly"). On the other hand, as soon as it comes to sharing the consequences and responsibilities after an "ISCKON guru's" fall down, the indicator jumps from "our ISCKON guru" to "your guru, prabhu". Then, all of sudden, it is the question of purely private guru-disciple matter -- "He's not my guru, it's you who took him, dear". If he is not your guru after, he wasn't before either, so it's not really your business in any point of time (unless you consider accepting him as a guru). A guru is a guru for his disciples only. For everybody else he is something else, depending of the relationship they got with the person. One shouldn't even see him as "Oh, here is a guru comming". If you see him like that, then you got to bow down immediatelly and to offer him all the respect as a guru ought to receive. But one doesn't. Because one actually sees "Here is my godbrother comming". Or a sannyasi. Or a goduncle. Or a GBC-man. Or a senior grhasta... But people think they got to check the performance of other people's gurus. Which even wouldn't be so bad, if they would be able to make and fix their minds wether a particular guru-disciple relationship is a sacred and private issue between the two (and the God, as the third "party"), or is it a kind of a social and managerial post (thus having the general population as the third party, having the right to interfere when feel the need for it). -------------------------------- I got this lust for the salted sun-dried tomatoes (that I deep in the olive oil). But it costs me lot to get buying them all the time, so I thought if I could get a bigger quantity of fresh tomatoes for the good price, then I could try to dry them myself. Does anybody have some experience? What sort of tomatoes are the best for this purpose, what one has to do in order to avoid them rotting before they get nicely dried (and yet keeping soft)? Or any other info and suggestion that someone could have, I would appreciate greatly. ys mnd Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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