Guest guest Posted June 21, 1999 Report Share Posted June 21, 1999 "WWW: Sthita-dhi-muni (Dasa) SDG (Alachua FL - USA)" wrote: > [Text 2423877 from COM] > > > On 20 Jun 1999, Srila Dasa wrote: > > > > > There's a whole world of advanced Vaisnavas outside our self-conceive > sectarian walls. > > > > > On 20 Jun 1999, Janesvara Dasa wrote: > > > > Name two. > > > > How about me and my Welsh Terrier, Tomar -- who, by the way, is becoming quite > elderly in dog years. Jaya! All glories to Sthita-dhi and Tomar Goswami!! your servant, Hare Krsna dasi P.S. Has Tomar Maharaja related to you the pastimes of Sivananda Sen's dog? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 21, 1999 Report Share Posted June 21, 1999 "WWW: Srila (Dasa) ACBSP (Berkeley CA - USA)" wrote: > [Text 2424582 from COM] > > There are many important issues that you bring up, but I fear that all > discussion will be a waste of time unless we have sufficient respect for not > only the subject (ie, proposing a dog as high-class association makes it a > joke) but also for the participants. HK dasi comments: Guilty! Sorry, I'm guilty of frivolous behaviour. So I apologize. Thing is with me, I'm always suspecting that lots of people are great devotees. You see, I allow for a few mistakes by my great devotees. Even Bhismadeva made a great offence, and yet everyone including me considers him to be one of the greatest devotees every. My strongest suspicion is that even within ISKCON there are many great devotees that people are not really aware of. I'll name only 2 out of a dozen or so I could think of: Nagaraja dasa at Back to Godhead and Kaulini dasi at Gita-nagari I know they are advanced. Very humble, too. And there's lots more where they came from. What about Aradhya dasi? What about Harakanta dasi? What about Jyotirmayi dasi? There are actually lots and lots of them. There are lots more men also, but I didn't want to name anyone who is already a guru, and I don't want to name anyone on this conference. Also, I know a lot of women, just because that's who I hang out with a lot. Maybe it's just because I'm so unadvanced, but every time I associate with devotees like this, I become very inspired. Just to be around them makes me feel like the biggest fool and pretend devotee -- because they are so much more sincere and so much more advanced than I am. I think ISKCON's biggest problem is that it is letting too many valuable spiritual resources go under utilized. If we would actually recognize more of these hidden devotees and make them gurus, I think that many of our current problems would disolve. Of course, the first step would be to have a guru selection training program. your servant, Hare Krsna dasi > > > Dasanudasa, > > Srila dasa Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 22, 1999 Report Share Posted June 22, 1999 On 21 Jun 1999, Hare Krsna dasi wrote: > > P.S. Has Tomar Maharani related to you the pastimes of Sivananda Sen's dog? > > Unfortunately for us fallen souls, she keeps her realizations internal. Woof! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 22, 1999 Report Share Posted June 22, 1999 > It is a great offense to call an honest man a thief. > From my own experience and observation, I can confidently state that you > don't know WHO or WHAT you are talking about. Please be careful. > For someone as yourself who made the grave error of mistaking and accepting > a NON bona fide guru for a spiritual master, you display a decided lack of > humility, remorse and introspection. > Dasanudasa, > Srila dasa I think we better leave it up to Krsna, to decide WHO was or is a bonafide or NON bonafide spiritual master, otherwise it may happen that we dont know WHO or WHAT we are talking about... Dasanudasa Harsi das Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 22, 1999 Report Share Posted June 22, 1999 > > First of all, as a matter of principle, unless you can supply personal > experience or concrete instances for your above contentions, I must > conclude you are a) in content, repeating hearsay and b) in purport, > slandering vastly senior Vaisnavas. This might be quite a hopeless attempt to try to obtain from you a confirmation of some "concrete instances" that you would accept as such. I am not even intending to start bringing here the recollection of other devotees, since that would be for you just some "repeating hearsay". Instead, I would like to simply remind you on a rather long letter that Mother Padyavali wrote to you regarding Narayana Maharaja, some time ago. It is the letter in which she elaborately explains to you her own, personal experience that confirms what I was saying here, and what is also known to general public. Since I can clearly see that even after being told by other devotees of their *personal experience* with Narayana Maharaja, you are still playing here an uninformed person, attacking anybody whi dares to say anything of a kind about NM as a slander and offender. The conclusion is that one simply should not even waste much of his/her time in trying to present you some "personal experience" or "concrete instances". Since you got that blind eye of yours to turn when that evidence is being supplied. Do you know what letter I am talking about? I can re-send it to you, to refresh your memories. mnd Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 1, 1999 Report Share Posted July 1, 1999 > > We are all guilty in this material world. Its a prison. To try to pretend > its not is simply sentimental. Compassion is when we remind each other > where we are really at. Compassion is the sadhus knife wielding, cutting > through the illusion, cutting the hard knot of material attachment. > Are you maybe preparing here a scenario for a horror film? You know, a kind of a psycho-horror a'la Hitchcock. Remember that scene from the "Psycho", when the big knife is cutting through the curtain of a dush-cabine, and the screaming blood starts sprinkling all over the place...? ....and the "sadhu" walks out with the compassionate smile on his face, his eyes turned upside-down in trans.. (You know, Samba, just recently you gave us here the "class" about how we should not be playing around cheaply with the expressions like "Vaisnava". And here you are, throwin' around "sadhus" like potatoes when dug out by a tractor, from a 10-hectare field.) > Unfortunately this may be another case where the cold stark reality of > text, belies the motivation and mood of the writer. Mahanidhi prabhu > sometimes seems to think I am personaly attacking him. Has the possibility of you personally attacking somebody ever crossed your mind? Can't be. You are Samba das, after all. And the other one is Mahanidhi das, after all. It's other person's fault to feel sometimes personally attacked. Because he is in illusion, in Sanskrit - maya, "that what is not". (never been in ISCKON before, tell me what is that yellow thing on your nose) What is "cold stark reality" is the matter of a subjective perception. You should have been able to notice that not everybody here would agree with your vision of reality. Unfortunately, we pay no much attention to it. Otherwise how could we maintain our vision of ourselves as uncompromisingly merciful sadhus, a simha-bhaktisiddhanta or a strow-blade-balarama models (boy, what sweet dreams for our tiny and weak intellects)? the sadhu .. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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