GBC has agreed to active participation in cow protection

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>Hare Krsna dasi:

>

>> Maybe Balabhadra prabhu should forward a copy of this to the GBC, just so

>they can see how important this is to us. It would be good if sometime in

>August, Chaya and Balabhadra could post a list of the farms and list the

GBC's

>who have turned in reports -- also a list of farms who have not turned in

>reports, together with their GBC's. What will we do for those GBC's who

>neglect to fulfill their pledges in the matter? I guess it is obvious that

>the only kind of recourse that we have at our disposal is publicity.

>

>Rohita's Comment:

>Nice sugestion, mother Chayadevi? Post on Announcements conference,

 

I think something more widespread, like Free Forum?

 

By the way, so far no reports in.

 

Yrs,

Chayadevi

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> Comment:

> It is also fair for us to say that we are hurt, we have not drawn and

> quartered them only expressed our hurt feelings. We wait with expectant

> hearts for their feet to tread the earth with us. Forgive us if we are not

> very vocal in praise or in telling what the problems are, because it will

> be a shock if they do come and show they care. They must also be patient

> with us for we have much baggage accumulated for so many years. Only those

> cowherds who have daily worked with the cows really know the full extent

> of what kind of tolerance the cows have mustered to meet the conditions.

> Then when the GBC have shown their true colours, can we turn to the local

> management and ask their help to heal the hurt. There needs to be a change

> of heart of all the devotees and the leaders must be the ones to show it

> first.

 

> Ys,

> Rohita dasa

 

Very nicely put Prabhu. Very heartfelt.

 

Some on this conference bridle at hearing criticism of our leaders. But to

be a leader in ISKCON requires an extremely high standard, and if some

people cannot maintain such a standard they really have no right to claim to

be, or to assume the posts as leaders. Srila Prabhupada was uncompromising

when it came to standards, he wanted them set high.

 

Thanks for you compassionate yet very realistic view on this subject.

 

YS Samba das

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"COM: ISCOWP (Balabhadra Dasa & Chaya Dasi - USA)" wrote:

 

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> >[Text 2404183 from COM]

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> >Hare Krsna dasi:

> >It would be good if sometime in

> >August, Chaya and Balabhadra could post a list of the farms and list

theGBC's

>

> >who have turned in reports -- also a list of farms who have not turned in

> >reports, together with their GBC's. What will we do for those GBC's who

> >neglect to fulfill their pledges in the matter? I guess it is obvious that

> >the only kind of recourse that we have at our disposal is publicity.

> >

> >Rohita's Comment:

> >Nice sugestion, mother Chayadevi? Post on Announcements conference,

>

> I think something more widespread, like Free Forum?

>

> By the way, so far no reports in.

>

> Yrs,

> Chayadevi

 

HKDD comments:

 

Free Forum sounds appropriate. Good idea. Probably, to make it fair, we

should

also post on the Free Forum a polite reminder that this needs to be done,

including a suggestion that the primary cowherds and their project leaders

could

contact their GBC to schedule a date for the visit.

 

It occurred to me that the date of the GBC visit should be listed on the form.

Is it? This could be a very important piece of evidence in some cases.

 

Also, I predict that there will be a problem in cases where there is more than

one GBC (which is everywhere?). Each one may leave it to the other to take

responsibility. Cowherds should be proactive in this case: "Dear Krsna Swami

and Govinda Swami, we are trying to schedule a convenient time for your

quarterly meeting (the report of which is due by July 30) with our cowherds and

tour of the cow's facilities (as per ISKCON law 507). We are wondering, should

we arrange accommodations for both of you? If not, which one of you will be

coming and when should we expect you to arrive. We would like to know in

advance so we can have someone meet you at the airport. The devotees are very

much looking forward to your visit. Hope to hear from you soon. ys... etc."

 

Just curious-- have any GBC members yet scheduled their first visits?

 

your servant,

 

Hare Krsna dasi

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On 14 Jun 1999, Hare Krsna dasi wrote:

 Free Forum sounds appropriate. Good idea. Probably, to make it

fair, we should also post on the Free Forum a polite reminder that this needs

to be done, including a suggestion that the primary cowherds and their project

leaders could contact their GBC to schedule a date for the visit.

 

 It occurred to me that the date of the GBC visit should be listed on

the form. Is it? This could be a very important piece of evidence in some

cases.

 

Comment:

Such activity would put the situation in everyone's mind. The date should be

on the form.

 

 Also, I predict that there will be a problem in cases where there is

more than one GBC (which is everywhere?). Each one may leave it to the other

to take responsibility. Cowherds should be proactive in this case: "Dear

Krsna Swami and Govinda Swami, we are trying to schedule a convenient time for

your quarterly meeting (the report of which is due by July 30) with our

cowherds and tour of the cow's facilities (as per ISKCON law 507). We are

wondering, should we arrange accommodations for both of you? If not, which

one of you will be coming and when should we expect you to arrive. We would

like to know in advance so we can have someone meet you at the airport. The

devotees are very much looking forward to your visit. Hope to hear from you

soon. ys... etc."

 

Comment:

That is a nice suggestion, a sort of personal invitation, I am not opposed to

anything that gives them encouragement to come. Time is running short however.

 

 Just curious-- have any GBC members yet scheduled their first visits?

 

Comment:

I have just spoken with the temple president here (Yogindra Vandana das), who

saw our GBC at the Temple presidents meeting in New Vrndavan. Our GBC is now

Bir Krishna and due to his many responsibilities he is unable to come at all

this year. This to me means he has not thought about (at least he has not

expressed) these four visits - I say he has not thought, because there is no

mention of a monitor coming.

Ys,

Rohita dasa

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"WWW: Rohita (Dasa) ACBSP (New Talavan MS - USA)" wrote:

 

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>  Just curious-- have any GBC members yet scheduled their first

visits?

>

> Comment:

> I have just spoken with the temple president here (Yogindra Vandana das), who

> saw our GBC at the Temple presidents meeting in New Vrndavan. Our GBC is now

> Bir Krishna and due to his many responsibilities he is unable to come at all

> this year. This to me means he has not thought about (at least he has not

> expressed) these four visits - I say he has not thought, because there is no

> mention of a monitor coming.

> Ys,

> Rohita dasa

 

Hare Krsna dasi comments:

 

Well, I am an admirer of Bir Krishna Maharaja. He's the only GBC I've seen

behind

a team of oxen (Balabhadra's). Nevertheless, if he neglects to make even one

single visit to New Talavana, he is breaking Krsna's law.

 

Srila Prabhupada states in the First Canto of the Bhagavatam that cow

protection

and brahminical culture are the "two pillars of spiritual progress." How can

ISKCON make spiritual progress if the head of the GBC only has one pillar?

 

This would not be satisfactory at all.

 

The head of the GBC must make it a priority to set the proper example for all

the

other GBC members. We know that he is busy, but if he takes the time, it sends

a

strong message to the rest of the GBC: "I am a very busy man, yet I made time

to

see Krsna's cows and Krsna's cowherds because I know this is important for the

welfare of ISKCON and important to my personal welfare. Now I don't want to

see

any excuses from anyone of the rest of you."

 

If he can't come in time for the July report, he must appoint a monitor, and he

must arrange to personally come to the farm and meet with the cowherds and tour

the facility on at least one of the 365 days in the year. He must do this.

This

is ISKCON law. As he is head of the GBC, he must be exemplary in following

ISKCON's law -- especially when it involves something as important to our

spiritual advancement as cow protection.

 

I'm sure he will do this if he is properly approached. I'm sure he will want

to

set a good example.

 

your servant,

 

Hare Krsna dasi

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>Comment:

>I have just spoken with the temple president here (Yogindra Vandana das), who

>saw our GBC at the Temple presidents meeting in New Vrndavan. Our GBC is now

>Bir Krishna and due to his many responsibilities he is unable to come at all

>this year. This to me means he has not thought about (at least he has not

>expressed) these four visits - I say he has not thought, because there is no

>mention of a monitor coming.

>Ys,

>Rohita dasa

 

Well, well, why does this sound so very familiar; "Due to many

responsibilities <<default prabhu/swami>> is unable to fulfill his/her GBC

responsibilities". As far as being "ISKCON Law", that's hardly any

overwhelming assurance. For instance does anyone have any idea how many

Child Protection Teams have actually been formed in ISKCON temples? It's

another similar 'Law', and under present circumstances, one would imagine

it receiving a rather high priority.

 

If all (or even most) of 'ISKCON Laws' or 'Suggestions' were actually

followed, or the GBCs were either capable or 'had the time' to fulfill

them, ISKCON would be a much different place to live in.

 

Your servant (trying hard not to be too cynical), nistula dasa

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On 14 Jun 1999, Hare Krsna dasi wrote:

 

> > Our GBC is now

> > Bir Krishna and due to his many responsibilities he is unable to come at

all

> > this year. This to me means he has not thought about (at least he has not

> > expressed) these four visits - I say he has not thought, because there is

no

> > mention of a monitor coming.

 

 

 

Aw gee, surprise?! surprise?!

 

 

 

> Hare Krsna dasi comments:

>

> Well, I am an admirer of Bir Krishna Maharaja. He's the only GBC I've seen

> behind

> a team of oxen (Balabhadra's).

 

 

I wouldn't judge a ksatriya by this. I do not believe it is one of the

qualities Krsna mentions in Bg. for a ksatriya. Or maybe the GBC aren't

ksatriyas? Why are they responsible for management then?

 

 

 

>Nevertheless, if he neglects to make even one

> single visit to New Talavana, he is breaking Krsna's law.

 

 

Gosh, the GBC has never done THAT before!!

 

 

 

> Srila Prabhupada states in the First Canto of the Bhagavatam that cow

> protection

> and brahminical culture are the "two pillars of spiritual progress." How

can

> ISKCON make spiritual progress if the head of the GBC only has one pillar?

 

 

What have they been standing on for the last 25 years? They don't seem too

concerned about it obviously.

 

 

 

"I am a very busy man, yet I made time

> to

> see Krsna's cows and Krsna's cowherds because I know this is important for

the

> welfare of ISKCON and important to my personal welfare. Now I don't want to

> see

> any excuses from anyone of the rest of you."

 

 

 

What have the excuses been for the last 25 years? What incredible realization

did they all of a sudden come to that woke them up?

 

 

 

 

> I'm sure he will do this if he is properly approached. I'm sure he will

want

> to

> set a good example.

 

 

I wouldn't hold your breath, you may be holding it for another 25 years.

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On 15 Jun 1999, Nistula das wrote:

 

> Well, well, why does this sound so very familiar; "Due to many

> responsibilities <<default prabhu/swami>> is unable to fulfill his/her GBC

> responsibilities". As far as being "ISKCON Law", that's hardly any

> overwhelming assurance. For instance does anyone have any idea how many

> Child Protection Teams have actually been formed in ISKCON temples? It's

> another similar 'Law', and under present circumstances, one would imagine

> it receiving a rather high priority.

>

> If all (or even most) of 'ISKCON Laws' or 'Suggestions' were actually

> followed, or the GBCs were either capable or 'had the time' to fulfill

> them, ISKCON would be a much different place to live in.

 

 

 

They simply do not realize that by NOT placing priority on the proper

fundamentals (VAD=cow protection=child protection=citizen protection, etc.)

they will endlessly be faced with fighting small fires everywhere. They will

ALWAYS come up short on time. That is the trick of material nature for which

an answer was created by the Lord - varnasrama-dharma/common

sense/practical/following the advice of the pure devotee!!!!!

 

Hello??? Is anybody home??? The lights are On but...

 

 

> Your servant (trying hard not to be too cynical), nistula dasa

 

 

Its kinda hard not to be, Prabhu.