Guest guest Posted July 3, 1999 Report Share Posted July 3, 1999 ---------- Forwarded Message ---------- Dr. Patel: No, these boys who are recruited newly. They don't have much about the idea of Vaisnavism. Prabhupada: That's all right. That's a fact. But what can I do? They are my helper. Dr. Patel: They have to be trained up earlier and then let loose. Otherwise, you know, they create it. Because all the bad impressions are for them. Prabhupada: No. They'll be trained while working. Not that simply theorizing at home, no. Dr. Patel: That's right, but I think... Prabhupada: They should work, and at the same time, they may fall down, just like a child tries to walk, falls down, again walks, again... Then he becomes complete. Dr. Patel: Those thirty characteristics of a sadhu that are depicted in the, in Bhagavata.... Prabhupada: That is not possible in one day. Dr. Patel: Thirty cannot come, but a few should come. Prabhupada: Yes. Few that... They are... Yasyasti bhaktir bhagavaty akincana sarvair gunais tatra samasate. If they have got unflinching faith in Krsna and guru, that is all qualification. Dr. Patel: That is a fact. Prabhupada: That is all qualification. Yasyasti bhaktir bhagavaty akincan sarvair gunaih. All these qualities are already there. Dr. Patel: But for that you see, he has to withdraw his mind and all the senses from... Prabhupada: Even he does not withdraw, even it is suduracara, api cet suduracaro bhajate mam ananya-bhak sadhur eva sah. Dr. Patel: But then bhajate mam ananya-bhak. Prabhupada: Yes, ananya-bhak, they are doing that. Dr. Patel: Without severing his mind, anywhere he goes... Prabhupada: No. They are fixed up in Krsna. That is a fact. That is a fact. You cannot bribe them to take from this Krsna consciousness. That is not possible. They may commit some mistake, but they are fixed up in Krsna. That is bhajate mam ananya-bhak. You cannot deviate them. Sadhur eva sa mantavyah [bg. 9.30]. So this qualification they have, and for this qualification they will be triumphant, without anything else. We shall return now? Dr. Patel: Those thirty qualifications do come naturally, as you say, but they come slowly. But (Hindi) we must teach them this in the krsna-bhakti, the qualities of a real sadhu. Prabhupada: If you make a condition that "First of all you become qualified; then you preach," that will never come. Rupa Gosvami therefore recommends, yena tena prakarena mana krsne nivesayet: "Somehow or other bring him to Krsna consciousness." Then other... Sarve vidhi-nisedhah. Vidhi-nisedhah. Sarve vidhi-nisedha syur etayor eva kinkarah. Automatically they'll come as servant. First of all let their mind be fixed up on Krsna consciousness. Dr. Patel: But the present difficulties are because they don't know the vidhi-nisedhas. Prabhupada: So how they can know? Dr. Patel: That is the difficulty. Prabhupada: How they can know? Dr. Patel: That is the difficulty. Prabhupada: So we... we are bringing them from which status? Yes. You cannot expect that they will be perfect all of a sudden, overnight. It is not possible. But their mind being fixed up on Krsna consciousness, that is the first qualification. They do not know anything beyond Krsna. That's all. Dr. Patel: In our Vaisnava religions this vidhi-nisedha is a must right from the beginning. Prabhupada: Yes. It is must. It is must. But you cannot force in the beginning. That is not possible. Dr. Patel: But they have to be explained of it. Prabhupada: But if they fix up their mind in Krsna, the vidhi-nisedha automatically will come. That process I adopted. When they came to me I never said that "You don't do this, don't do that, don't do that." No. "You simply come here and chant Hare Krsna." These are... Old students learned. I never said that "You have to follow these rules, these regulations, then you can come..." Because if chanting is properly done, then ceto-darpana-marjanam [Cc. Antya 20.12]-the mind will be cleansed of all dirty things. Srnvatam sva-katha krsna punya-sravana-kirtanah [sB 1.2.17]. Simply by hearing and chanting, they will be pious. Hrdy antah 'stho hy abhadrani vidhunoti suhrt satam. Krsna is there. As soon as He sees one devotee is sincerely chanting, He'll help, cleansing the heart. Vidhunoti... REF. Morning Walk -- September 30, 1975, Bombay Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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