Not everything is Karma - there is also free will

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>> So I think it may well be so, that when someone gets killed by a >>

policemen or a soldier who acts under the order of his superiors, that

>> the man who got shot, was killing the policeman or the soldier in his

>> last lifes, while exercising his free will, therefore he got the equal

>> reaction to his action, while the policeman or the soldier may get a

>> decoration for what he has done and thus don`t get any negative

>> reaction for his act.

 

> The soldier doesn't get the reation if he was simply folowing orders from

> his superiors. The King or (Prime Minister) doesn't get the karma if he

> was following the orders of the Manu Samhita. That is the law of karma, it

> doesn't show any free will. It is BECAUSE these activities are under

> material nature that Manu Samhita governs them.

 

> This scenario doesn't support your statement which follows, at least I

> cannot see the connection -

 

Thanks for your comment prabhu, I must admit I am not a great filosopher, I

try to understand things moore by logic and reasoning.

 

You are right, the soldier or the policeman who follow the order of

their superiors are not getting any reaktion, and that was my point also.

Only the man who got shot was geting his reaction. Why? Due to the

arangements of karma and the misuse of the free will to act in his last

lifes, from the side of the man who got killed. The policeman or the soldier

may have been killed by this man in theyr last lifes, misusing his free will

to act (good or sinfull) therefore karma aranged it so that the policeman or

the soldier got a position where he would not became intangled further in

karma, but fulfill the karma of the man who misused his free will to act in

his last life. I hope I expresed myself clearly.

 

 

Let,s say a murderer has to testify before a court, and the judje is

asking him why did he shot the man.

But the criminal may reply "No I was not shoting anyone, my Winchester gun

did it. So put the gun in jail" Why not you? may reply the judje. "Because

I am not able to shot bullets, therefore I cannot kill anybody."

Aha, may reply the judje, being inteligent, therefore he became a judje,

"well, than tell me who pulled the trigger". "Oh, that was me", may reply

the criminal. Therefore life sentence or whatever, may be the judjement of

the judge. WHy?

 

Due to the arangements of karma, or due to the misuse of his tiny free

will given to him by Krsna, he may have got the Winchester and everything

became aranged so that he could kill somebody, but still he was free to pull

the trigger or not. Nobody forced him to do it.

Therefore I say:

 

>> NO IT`S NOT "only your bad karma"! There is also the free will to act,

>> from the side of those who are causing you harm and trouble, emotionally

>> or physicaly.

 

>> Karma implys a equal reaktion which may come in due course of time, but

>> there is a difference if someone get,s shot by a policemen or a soldier

>> in war, or a criminal who came to rob his properties.

 

Therefore I see this difference. The policeman or the soldier may

fullfill the karma of the criminal from last life, or even from this life

because of his misuse of his tiny free will to act piously or sinfully. Of

course I dont want to say this as a general rule, because karma is to

komplex, but one could well see it also from this point of view.

 

Therefore we need genuine Ksatriyas in our society with ruling power, who

are able to give protection and security and stopp people from misusing

their free will to act.

 

> If you want to kill legally, you will be given the body of someone

> inclined towards soldiering,

 

Do you really think someone wishes to kill legally. Real ksatriys want to

protect people not kill them. If they kill someone they do it because they

want to protect the society, not because they want to kill.

 

> and if you desire to murder, you will be given a body inclined towards

> murderer. Both are equally free to question their spiritual values,

> although sastra says it is easier for the more pious prisioner, the

soldier.

 

Thats already to high for me, I could not follow want you wanted to say.

 

 

Your servant

Harsi das