Not everything is Karma - there is also free will

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>> Due to the arangements of karma, or due to the misuse of his tiny free

>> will given to him by Krsna, he may have got the Winchester and everything

>> became aranged so that he could kill somebody, but still he was free to

>> pull the trigger or not. Nobody forced him to do it.

 

> His mind did, and his intelligence couldn't stop it. Even if it was a

> coldblooded murder, it's a fault of intelligence (which is BTW

> material element and is totally conditioned).

> The spirit soul just observes all this. And it doesn't get "punished",

> the body does (including mind and intelligence).

 

> Free will limited to a very simple choice - to serve Krishna or not.

> That's what spirit souls do. They do not kill or get killed.

> Otherwise there's no independence.

 

That is of course the vision of a genuine Brahmana, I presented the vision

of a Ksatriya (I guess Yamaraja does the same), the Vaishya may have his

vision and the sudra his.

 

In a varnasrama dharma society there may be a variety of visions

depending what varna duty one has. Not everything is one. But of course

everyone should be educated about his constitutional position as spirit soul

and try to act acordingly, but that does not negate the fact that we are in

the material world in a material body suroundet by the mind and

intelligence, wich are of course like you corectly pointed out also material

elements.

 

We still have the independence or free will, acording to our

conditioning by the modes of nature to act piously or sinfully, or serve the

Lord and try to act from the transcendental plane. But I dont think

devotees are above the varnasrama dharma society rather shoud try to become

a integrated part of it, for their own benefit. After all we are living in

this material world, in a material body and will remain here until the end

of our days, when we may return Home back to Godhead.

 

Why should we be transcendental to daiva varnasrama dharma?

 

Your servant

Harsi das

[Guest guest]

>Bottom line for everyone of us: never do harm to others. If they have to

>suffer because of karma (and everyone has to suffer a lot), material nature

>will take care of it in different ways. It is not our job. The major

>cleansing process starts all over the world including our ISKCON. It is the

>time to choose if we want to go against our conscience, Paramatma, or if we

>want to help ourselves and others while we are entering the age of higher

>consciousness. Ys JGd

 

thankyou for nice understanding.

 

ys, bb