Guest guest Posted July 8, 1999 Report Share Posted July 8, 1999 On 07 Jul 1999, Srila Dasa wrote: > > > Was Srila Prabhupada teaching apasiddhanta? > > Srila Prabhupada, of course, was not teaching apasiddhanta, it is we in ISKCON who are. We have missed the point. > I definitely missed the point that Prabhupada ever made the point that you feel ISKCON has missed. > In one purport Prabhupada clearly states > that the CONCLUSION is that a conditioned soul cannot properly understand how the soul falls into this material world. Throughout his writings, Prabhupada has offered various explanations, but the fact is that Prabhupada himself seemed ambivalent on the issue because the phenomenon itself is not comprehensible to a conditioned soul. > Since it is not understandible to us as conditioned souls, why worry about enlightening us on something even you, Srila Prabhu, can't understand? Unless, of course, I have unfortunately been underestimating your esteemed position in Krsna's entourage. > If anything, Prabhupada preached a > conception that would harmonize with our Christian background and at the same time be very encouraging for us. Brilliant preaching, I call it. > I'd say, brilliant analysis. Unfortunately, it is not a preaching strategy as explained by Srila Prabhupada. > But if we get stuck on that particular explanation - as it seems ISKCON has -- it becomes an apasiddhanta where we begin to draw all sorts of false conclusions from it. ie, such thinking that we just "automatically" return to Goloka, etc. > Better for followers of Prabhupada to be stuck on Prabhupada. > > I reject the fruit as unpalatable, I reject the tree. > > You certainly have the right to make your own life choices, but you would be well-advised not to make public statements condemning superior Vaisnavas just because they APPEAR to have different opinions than Srila Prabhupada's. But even at that you haven't fairly investigated the matter. > He didn't condemn the fruit or tree, just stated that he found it unpalatable. It seems Srila Prabhu wishes to resurect all the moods many found most 'palatable' in the old Northern European Zone, while at the same time condemn it. > From your > highly dismissive statements I think you are not even justified in coming to ANY CONCLUSIONS. > Sounds to me that since Goloka Prabhu has dared to publicly state that he does not see things as you do, he is now condemned, in your opinion. How escoteric! > > Forgive me if my words seem sharp, but your postings clearly show that you need to become more conversant on these issues before you speak so strongly against senior Vaisnavas. > > Yes, if we must offend, better to offend those who we view as our juniors! That is real advancement! Sthita- 'bliss' dhi-muni Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 8, 1999 Report Share Posted July 8, 1999 On 07 Jul 1999, Srila Dasa wrote: > On 06 Jul 1999, Sthita-dhi-muni Dasa wrote: > > To me, constantly harping on this point almost begins to sound reminiscent of the brahman who constantly meditated on the alleged offenses of the prostitute. > > My defence of sadhus may sound like harping to those who wish to dismiss the point as having much validity or importance. > I'll be blunt -- you appear to find pleasure in 'discovering' offenses in order to meditate on them. Then you seem to feel righteous in dishing our your own version of 'offensive' attitudes under the cover of being the merciful sharp words of a sadhu. > Hopefully, there are some members on this conference who will take my words seriously, because there is nothing more serious or damaging to our spiritual prospects than slandering senior Vaisnavas. > I've heard NM is a grand disciple of Srila Bhaktisiddhanta, and thus possibly a 'nephew' of Srila Prabhupada's. Yes, he is a senior Vaisnava, but simply waiving NM's badge of seniority does not make his flag waving follower infallibly aloof from the most basic principles of Vaisnava ettiquette. Sometimes I almost imagine that you have a very real contempt for any spiritual master who is not your own. > Do you take Prabhupada's books seriously? > > Well, I never read Prabhupada endorsing the blasphemy of either junior or Vaisnava's of equal stature. ys, Sthita Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 8, 1999 Report Share Posted July 8, 1999 On 07 Jul 1999, Mahanidhi das wrote: > > My obvious doubt, being an *ISCKON member*, is wether NM is the > legitimate successor of Srila Prabhupada, the next acarya of ISCKON > (and thus the highest authority in ISCKON). This HAS BEEN PROPAGATED > BY HIS FOLLOWERS AND SUPPURTORES. > Simply a neophyte indulgence in a new brand of zonal acarya-ism. When a follower of a recognized Vaisnava seems utterly unable to appreciate the sentiments of other disciples for their own guru's, that is gross neophytism - in my offensive little book. > > Yes. Keep good work. See you next week. Bring few new brochures > along. I've red this one already. > > I've heard rumors Srila next infatuation could be with the Kashmiri freedom fighters. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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