Guest guest Posted July 7, 1999 Report Share Posted July 7, 1999 On 06 Jul 1999, Madhusudani Radha wrote: > comptuer knowledge seems > to be more of a distraction than a help to "always remember Krsna". Yeah, those "comtuers" are bad things. And those computers are pretty bad sometimes, too! ;-) Hari! Hari! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 8, 1999 Report Share Posted July 8, 1999 On 07 Jul 1999, Srila Dasa wrote: > Digest this, please: > > SB 1.1.2 "Completely rejecting all religious activities which are materially > motivated *[ie, karma-yoga, varna-dharma, etc.] * You added this part to the quote of the verse? > this Bhagavata Purana propounds > the HIGHEST truth, which is understandable by those devotees who are fully > pure in heart *[ie, not the "commom man"]... What is the need of any other > scripture?..." * You also added this to the quote of the verse? It doesn't read like this in my copy of SB. Who ARE you? > Whereas various processes for gradually realizing the Absolute Truth are > mentioned in B.g for different classes of human beings (such as karma, jnana, > yoga, etc.) no trace of such inferior processes are recommended in Srimad > Bhagavatam. Sri Arjuna was a failure? He wasn't a pure devotee? > The common person may certainly be satisfied with Bhagavad-gita, and it is an > appropriate introduction to the basic philosophy of Krsna consciousness for > beginners, You are as bogus a 3 dollar bill, do you know that? Do you really think anyone, that knows the potency of Srila Prabhupada's purports, believes your nonsense? You are offensive to Sri Arjuna, Sri Vivasvan, Sri Vyasadeva. > but I think as experienced devotees we should be hankering to > relish deeply Srimad Bhagavatam. We are very far from being even Vaisnavas, much less "experienced devotees". Where were you hiding when they handed out the blades of grass? > Any questions or doubts? Yea, a lot of them about your loyalty and realization of our guru's purports. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 9, 1999 Report Share Posted July 9, 1999 > >A person who desires to search and search and search all kinds of books > >of knowledge in hopes of obtaining a degree in transcendental knowledge > >is no closer to God than the simple sweeper in the street > > That reminds me. We don't even have to be literate to go back Home. I don't get it? Is full knowledge not necessary to go back home? Or maybe you're just talking ideal? Why then acaryas spend so much time writing books? Interesting indeed, if more developed however. The way I read these statements are much too vague. (I guess I missed something.) Comparatively speaking, I'll give more chance to "A person who desires to search and search and search all kinds of books of knowledge", for whatever reason, than to a mere "simple sweeper". This objection, maybe, because I am a "bookta" instead of a bhakta. Sincerely Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 9, 1999 Report Share Posted July 9, 1999 >I don't get it? Is full knowledge not necessary to go back home? I thought it was love of Krsna that was necessary. I didn't say it was *easier* to develop that if you're illiterate. Just that literacy is not a *requirement*. Or are you saying that only people who can read and write can develop love for Krsna? Your servant and fellow "bookta", Madhusudani dasi Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 9, 1999 Report Share Posted July 9, 1999 On 08 Jul 1999, Akhilesvara das wrote: > > I don't get it? Is full knowledge not necessary to go back home? Transcendental knowledge comes by execution of devotional service so a sweeper engaged in devotional service and a scholar engaged in devotional book-reading, both get the same results. However, before you surrender and engage in devotional service, a person into analysis and book reading is more likely to take the message of Krsna consciousness seriously (as stated in BG about the 4 types of men who approach Him- the jnani being the best). > talking ideal? Why then acaryas spend so much time writing books? Because most of the people are into rationalism, they won't accept the process of devotional service if you just told them to chant 16 rounds. So they need the preaching contained in the books to remove their doubts and purify them. your servant, Virender http://www.krishnasoft.com Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 11, 1999 Report Share Posted July 11, 1999 > > >A person who desires to search and search and search all kinds of books > > >of knowledge in hopes of obtaining a degree in transcendental knowledge > > >is no closer to God than the simple sweeper in the street > > > > That reminds me. We don't even have to be literate to go back Home. > > I don't get it? Is full knowledge not necessary to go back home? The way I understood it, once one has the mercy of a pure devotee, all knowledge is automaticaly revealed to him. There is a kund in Vraja about which it is stated that the understanding of all the purports of all vedic literature is bestowed to one who bathes there (I took bath there 3 times so watch out!;-) No but seriously once one acheives the mercy of the Lord by pleasing his intimate devotee. then the lord can bestow all knowledge unto us, as he is the source. I always understood that reading kind of prepares us or brings us to the stage where we surrender. But simply studying and becoming a scholar does not necesarily help anyone become a surrendered devotee. Of course once one has received mercy, it does not mean that he has to stop study, rather he would continue, as devotees love to churn their understanding of Krsna's pastimes, and hear what the previous acaryas have to say. And of course until we receive mercy, we can and should continue to read and search for truth, in that way once we have received mercy, we will in any case be well versed in many sastras, and be able to use such authoritative texts to convince others. The way I understood it, is that once having gotten the mercy of a pure soul the *understanding* of all the purports of vedic literature is there, but not necesarily the chapter and verse of particular commentaries. it is just that in all situations one will have the understanding of what to do, and what not to do, according to dharma. Just like Srila Prabhupada. Prabhupada had Lord Krsna, but yet he quoted extensively from the writings of the precious acaryas. The changes he made in ISKCON were his own inspiration according to his divine understanding, and could not be found in the works of previous saints (bramacarini asrams, etc). YS Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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