Guest guest Posted July 9, 1999 Report Share Posted July 9, 1999 >> Let's graft >> the ISKCON branch back onto the Gaudiya tree before it falls away >> completely (what with rtvikvada, soft rtviik, sadhu-ninda, etc.) >There is a common nominator for both proponents of rtvikvada and >the proponents of Narayana Maharaja. Besides that both parties >claim how the solution of ISCKON's problems is in their "hands", >more significantly, there is the same sad underground base >that they both build their doctrine on. That is: > >"Srila Prabhupada failed." > >He failed to produce a single qualified pure devotee capable >of giving the sufficient and required spiritual inspiration to >the rest of ISCKON "orphans". He failed of leaving behind himself >qualified disciples capable of carrying on the mission. Thus the >rtviks say "Therefore rtvik" and the others say "Therefore Narayana >Maharaja". a clean washout! thankyou mahanidhi prabhu, for exposing Srila das' "get real" so efficiently. >> Let's graft >> the ISKCON branch back onto the Gaudiya tree before it falls away >> completely is there any alarm clock around? our sampradaya *is* gaudiya samparadaya. we are not disconnected. ys, bb Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 9, 1999 Report Share Posted July 9, 1999 > How about considering the possibility that devotees are leaving ISKCON for > some very good reasons, such as maltreatment, cheating, lying, lack of > support etc. ISKCON does not have a good track record of caring for > devotees. Anybody can leave as he/she wishes it. That is something we can understand. But I don't think this is being the issue here. > Once someone has been "courted" into joining, the tone often > changes from one of encouragement to one of intolerance, criticism and > judging. If we took better care of each other, I don't think devotees > would be so eager to look elsewhere for Vaisnava association. Most > ex-ISKCON devotees with whom I've talked, were not initially attracted to > either ritvik philosophy or to Narayan Maharaja. The issue is that a personal choice of leaving ISCKON and joining any of other "camps" is being politicized up to the extent of condemning everybody else who does not do as "supposed". What you got here is different fractions claiming to be the "rays of sun" on the dark horizon of ISCKON. All are simply struggling over taking the rains of ISCKON into their hands. What this has to do with "leaving" ISCKON? > They were just escaping a > painful environment and those groups were there with open arms. Because > they were treated better in these other camps, the attraction developed > later. > That is nothing to blame anybody for. If Srila prabhu is one of these that you are describing here (an escapist from bad treatment), then let it be so, ad let it be known then. We are all able to understand. But why make a dogma out of it? > If we want to lay blame, I suggest we don't just point fingers, but that > we simultaneously take one hard look in the mirror. This is to be suggested to all, when it comes to blaming. What we have here is basically the blame of entire ISCKON as a dry field, no good association, no sincere devotee left, all falling down... Gurus bogus. Leadership bogus and incapable. No spiritual strength. Prabhupada gone somewhere (he is not LIVING guru anymore). No source of a vital spiritual strength there. Blackblackblack. Still, you might notice that none said a "peep" regarding those who found their reasons to "escape". The fingers were pointed on something else. - mnd Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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