Guest guest Posted July 11, 1999 Report Share Posted July 11, 1999 Mahanidhi Prabhu wrote: > According to different devotees none else but an infallible > uttama-adhikari is to be accepted as a bona fide guru in the > line of our disciplic succession. The base for this are Srila > Prabhupada's statements. Now, the question is, in the light of > such rather a stressful and demanding situation, how a disciple > can go on in his conviction that his guru is a bona fide one > at al, if his guru is not seen as an uttama-adhikari? I think Vidvan Gauranga Prabhu may have answered your question on this point, by discribing the two different types of uttama-adhikaries. In other places Srila Prabhupada indicates that a madhyam-adhikary can also accept disciples."The second-class devotee accepts disciples from the section of third class devotees or nondevotees. Sometimes the first-class devotee also comes down to the category of second-class devotee for preaching work." (SB-2-3-21. Purport.) Of course it is the responsiblity of the disciple to find a spiritual master who is qualified, but what if there is no "first-class" devotee on the planet at this time? Does it mean that the guru disciple dynamic will cease? In the Nectar of Devotion Srila Prabhupada states: "The one point is that without increasing the number of disciples, there is no propagation of the cult of Krsna consciousness." ND.pp-65. In an early letter to Janardana Srila Prabhupada states that a guru from the non-liberated section can also act as a bonafide guru by taking shelter of a liberated soul, and strictly following his instructions. > Or, to be more direct. The dilemma that is hitting the heads of > many is -- May a Vaisnava of a lesser staus than an uttama-adhikari also > be accepted as a bona fide guru, able to connect disciples to the > Guru-parampara and Krsna? My answer is to this question is a qualified yes. So long as the guru of a lesser status doesn't cheat us by pretending that he is more advanced then he actually is, then Krsna can use him to help us on our journey back home back to Godhead. In a lecture in Ahmedabad in 1972 Srila Prabhupada says: "If somebody brings lamp, ajnana-timirandhasya jnananjana salakaya... the tourchlight, he's guru. So maybe of different degrees, but anyone opens the spiritual eyes, he's guru. Yours in Srila Prabhupada's service Trivikram Swami Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 11, 1999 Report Share Posted July 11, 1999 Thank you, Madhava Gosh Prabhu for the nice comment! I was truly happy! ys vgd Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 11, 1999 Report Share Posted July 11, 1999 "COM: Vidvan Gauranga (das) JPS (Mayapur - IN)" wrote: > [Text 2462496 from COM] > > Thank you, Madhava Gosh Prabhu for the nice comment! I was truly happy! > > ys > vgd If I have done one small part of helping you follow Srila Prabhupada's instruction to be happy, then I am also happy. "So we have to purify our hearts of our dirty desires, which are forcing us to act for sense gratification and suffer. And in this age the purification is very, very easy: Just chant Hare Krsna. That's all. This is Caitanya Mahaprabhu's contribution. Ceto-darpana-marjanam bhava-maha-davagni-nirvapanam [Cc. Antya 20.12]. If you chant the Hare Krsna mantra, you will be relieved of the suffering caused by transmigrating perpetually from body to body. Chanting is such a simple thing. There is no question of caste, creed, nationality, color, social position. No. By the grace of God, everyone has a tongue and ears. So everyone can chant Hare Krsna, Hare Krsna, Krsna Krsna, Hare Hare/ Hare Rama, Hare Rama, Rama Rama, Hare Hare. Just chant Hare Krsna and be happy." >>> Ref. VedaBase => The Self and Its Bodies Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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