Srila Prabhupadas advise about Guru tattva

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> There are 13 kinds of apasampradayic conclusions which an unguided soul

> (or religious body) can become "ATTRACTED" to. Besides the *prakrta

> sahajiyas* and the *bauls* are the a) *kartabhaja* and b) *sabha-bhaja*

> deviations whereby a) one makes of cult-like sect from his particular

> Acarya and b) one considers his own particular group the only bona fide

> path to follow (respectively).

>

 

I beg pardon, Srila prabhu, but WHO is speaking here about

"the only bona fide path to follow"? Are you able to refer

to somebody, or to something more explicitly?

 

 

> As a result of either of these misconceptions, one is thus unable to

> recognize and honor advanced Vaisnavas in other "lines".

>

 

The problem with this kind of conclusion is that it can be

just easily attributed to anybody. Be it a follower of Srila

Prabhupada's "group" or a follower of Narayana Maharaja's

"group". It becomes nothing else but a labeling process.

 

Have you noticed WHO here is the one advocating the Doomsday for

ISCKON if it doesn't get back to its "roots", unto the shelter of

Gaudiya Math's leadership? It is an irony to have you speaking

here about "only_one_path_to_follow" sectarian mentality. Who

comes here to whom to pound over the "Only_way"; ISCKON to Srila

das or Srila das to ISCKON? I supposed both you and NM's Math

are left at peace to chose your own way(s). Can it be said the

same for ISCKON?

 

 

Besides, the uncleared point (as all the other points made here

by you) remains WHAT do we mean with "recognizing and honoring"

advanced Vaisnavas in other groups. Why don't you use the expression

"taking siksa/diksa" instead, since this is what is basically all

about? But to be more explicit seams to be not your favorite way of

referring to sastras. You are talking on an undefined and vague way

that can be twisted in any direction, depending on a person's mind

condition.

 

 

> The "lines," however, are "lines drawn in the sand" in the minds of such

> misguided followers. In Upadesamrta, Rupa Goswami has never offered such

> sectarian "guidelines" for making spiritual advancement.

 

But since when Rupa Goswami has offered the "guidelines" for a

guru to re-initiate and re-instruct the disciples of an another

guru in good standing, without obtaining that guru's agreement

first?

 

So again, nothing explicit from you comes here. It all remains

in *your* mind. The guidelines, the borders, no borders, who

can/cannot do what, (not)recognizing and (not)honoring

other Vaisnavas, sand beaches,..

 

BTW, having you being closely associating with Narayana Maharaja's

Math, can you tell us of any instance of other gurus/preachers

being allowed across the "sand lines" of NM's Math, coming

there and being "recognized and honored" (to be taken siksa/diksa

from) by the followers and disciples of Narayana Maharaja?

Or *any* other Gaudiya Math that this is being in practice??

Have you known this to be something strictly not allowed to happen.

And you say how ISCKON got to learn from Gaudiya Math's tradition.

And when ISCKON does just like GM, then you attack ISCKON as a

sectarian apasampradaya and as being not in the line of Rupa

Goswami.

 

 

 

- mnd