The Soul's Fall... The Final Word

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On 12 Jul 1999, Payonidhi Dasa wrote:

 

> Recently someone gave me the other side of the nonfall idea,one strong

> argument is that the defeniton of Prema is that it is never broken so as

such

> the jiva can't fall,another good argument is based on the Gita vers about

the

> fallibel and infallibel jivas.

 

You have got major problems; your the first person I know who doesn't have a

Supersoul! Look more carefully:

 

"My dear gentle friend, both you and I are exactly like two swans. We live

together in the same heart, which is just like the Manasa Lake. Although we

have been living together for many thousands of years, we are still far away

from our original home." - Bhag. 4.28.54

 

If this doesn't clear things up, then you need to give up mental speculation

about this subject and rely on: bhaktya-maam abhijanati: "Only by undivided

devotional service can I be understood as I am."

 

For those wanting to speculate further (although warned not to): All the

so-called contradictory references are invalid if applied together without

taking into account context, spatial and temporal domains of reference,

characteristics of the soul, etc. For example, in 2D space is defined by

F(x,y) so a "fall" is defined by two coordinates. However, we learn that the

universe has 7 layers of the material elements which cease to exist beyond it.

So the F(x,y,z,m,i,...) is pretty complex. And afterwards you find out that

the soul, the spiritual world and time are also different. So add all these

references together and start computing what it means to "fall". Or take the

easy way as mentioned above.

 

>From the LOVE perspective:

 

(1) You have been eternally condemned in the material world so try to get out.

Take That! Ha Ha Ha! (mental speculation)

(2) You are eternally guided by Krsna but you have free choice to serve Him or

not (Prabhupada version).

(3) You are eternally in the spiritual world. Boy, is this a bad place.

(mental speculation)

 

Hare Krsna.

 

Sincerely,

 

Virender

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