Guest guest Posted July 14, 1999 Report Share Posted July 14, 1999 On 09 Jul 1999, Vijay Pai wrote: > Prabhuji, > I find it ironic that you say the above while still upholding > Payonidhi prabhu as a terrific example of how someone saw the > light, accepted a shiksha guru guide, etc. In particular, Payonidhi > prabhu has _explicitly_ stated on the Krishna-Katha conference > that he believes that the jIva has fallen. He said this _after_ > "accepting" Narayana Maharaja as a shiksha guru. What kind of > shiksha is this, that he feels fit to reject whenever he wants > to? Are you _sure_ that you want to uphold him as an example > for the rest of us to follow? The example to follow from Payonidhi Prabhu is the ability to be open-minded and learn from all Vaisnavas, irrespective of institutional affiliations, and to take lessons from those who are by far our seniors. It is especially encouraging to observe someone come back from a critical mood to an embracing one. Learning from senior Vaisnavas, however, doesn't mean swallowing everything hook, line and sinker. *Siksa* comes in stages and degrees. The relationship with a siksa-guru is more as a friend, with greater space for differences of opinion. It depends upon the relationship. As far as the "fall of the jiva" is concerned, I personally remain uncommitted to any hard and fast position on either side. I simply want to point out the philosophical implications of ascribing to the "hard" Fall theory promoted by current ISKCON policy. Progressive spiritual understanding is like a razor's edge. Given the different things Srila Prabhupada has himself stated on the issue, it would seem appropriate to maintain a balanced view. This is my (humble) position of advocacy. Regarding GBC resolutions on the Fall, GBC "managers" have no business issuing *decrees* about philosophical questions. Only sadhus with sufficient adhikara have that right. Gaura Govinda Swami was quite correct in his critique on this point. What is the philosophical value of a vote consisting of a "majority" of conditioned souls? This is but another example of the GBC overstepping their position (as "ultimate MANAGERIAL authority") and presuming authority where they don't have it. Previously, the misconception was that INDIVIDUALLY THE GBC-Zonal Acarya could act as Srila Prabhupada. Now the GBC's think that COLLECTIVELY, they can act as ACARYA, Srila Prabhupada. This is ISKCON's version of "old wine in a new bottle." But without proper aeration during the fermentation process, wine turns into formaldehdye, a poison. Similarly, without proper higher association (sadhu-sanga), devotion spoils into some deviant or lesser understanding. Choose your "wine" carefully! Frankly, Srila dasa Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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