The Soul's Fall... The Final Word

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On 14 Jul 1999, Vijay Pai wrote:

 

> The purport does not explicitly say that the events in the spiritual

> world are "prior to our choosing."

 

"Prior" is just for English's sake. I already indicated that material

material elements and our space and our time don't apply there. But this

higher dimensional picture is being explained in our terms. When you map a

higher dimensional function into a lower one, that's what happens.

 

The fact is we made a choice and and have not been put in the material world

forever without making a choice. Bhagavatam is based on bhakti which is based

on LOVE. You don't need the Oxford dictionary, just devotion for the text

when you read. Krsna is revealed by the bhakti and not by the word jugglery.

Simple English meanings are sufficient. Ever heard the example of the South

Indian Brahman?

 

> Since the living entity remains engaged in the service of the Lord,

> they both share a blissful life in the spiritual world. However, when

> the living entity wants to enjoy himself, he falls down into the

> material world. Even while in that position, the Lord remains with

> him as the Supersoul, his intimate friend. Because of his

> forgetfulness, the living entity does not know that the Supreme Lord

> is accompanying him as the Supersoul. In this way the living entity

> remains conditioned in each and every millennium."

 

Couldn't be any clearer.

 

> any specific point of time; the introduction to TLC says "Although we

> speak of 'when' Krishna desires, just when He did desire we cannot

> say."

 

I agree with this already. But YOU ARE CURRENTLY WITHIN TIME, so how do you

choose your inertial reference frame? We are not in Vaikuntha right now, so I

can refer to time when I speak with respect to our current state.

 

> Additionally, "fall into" is often used as an idiom to mean "comply"

> or "accomodate onself to".

 

Keep juggling words. I don't see that as the meaning at all. I once saw a

nice example of such juggling when a person kept looking up the word and then

looked up the meaning until finally the meaning was the opposite of the

original word he started out with. Bhaktya-maam-abhijanati. These books are

for the common person who is thoroughly honest and has no preconceived ideas

to support from his reading. Your definitions don't apply. You are already

READING THE TEXT TO SUPPORT YOUR THEORY. This is called blasphemy of the

Vedic literature. You have to serve the Bhagavatam. "Oh Lord Krsna, let me

hear the nectarean words of your pure devotee." That's all. Don't look for

knowledge. Knowledge will come. That's the process of bhakti. Take your

analysis with the Oxford and throw it into the river and start reading again.

It's completely bogus.

 

> I don't see why such an implicit system of choice would be

> inconsistent with these Bhagavatam verses and purports.

 

Because you don't know which meaning of which word applies anywhere. You are

picking those meanings that support your theory. Mayavadis do this to support

Brahman is above Krsna. Drop your nonsense. That's why it's stated:

tad-viddhi pranipatena pariprasnena sevaya. You must go with submission and

not your mental preconceived ideas. Bhagavatam is self-evident- no room of

juggling all the meanings. Bhagavatam is only understood in conjunction with

devotional service and not by using the Oxford dictionary's every definition.

 

> jiiva has been in the material world beginninglessly, since he definitely

> accepts that jiivas have had material activity beginninglessly.

 

This speculation is invalid because experienced time does not necessarily

equal time expired. Perhaps, I will get into this in the next newsletter and

hopefully it will clarify some things for you as well.

 

Bhaktya maam abhijanati. Mental speculators want the knowledge of God without

bhakti; they want a part of the kingdom of God without service to God. But

they cannot have it. All glories to Lord Sri Krsna. All glories to Srila

Prabhupada.

 

Sincerely,

 

Virender

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