Guest guest Posted July 16, 1999 Report Share Posted July 16, 1999 - Srila Prabhupada's Nectarean Instructions for Social Change, Varnasrama Links and Simple Life. Without change- the necessary qualification..... How necessary for the progress of our movement of spreading of love of God, that Srila Prabhupada's instructions for the farms be studied and practically carried out? Absolutely necessary, because they are a part of his total instructions, and hearing and carrying out the guru's instructions is the only qualification that is required- to be a pure devotee...even to be guru, as Lord Chaitanya advised... Bg lecture, 68-11-25, LA Prabhupada: Yes, they're also pure devotees because they're following my instruction. Just like a technician, he is expert, but somebody is assisting him. So the assistants, because they are following the instruction of the expert, therefore their work is also complete. So it is not necessarily that one has to become pure devotee immediately. Just like we are also following the instruction of our spiritual master. I don't claim that I am pure devotee or perfect, but my only qualification is that I am trying to follow the instruction of the perfect. Similarly... This is called disciplic succession. Just like here it is stated that Krsna is the original spiritual master and Arjuna is the original student. So Arjuna said that sarvam etam rtam manye yad vadasi kesava. "My dear Krsna, whatever You are saying, I accept in toto," ... However, the objection is often raised, "that was only his conversations. He said everything is in his books." Actually, the exact quote by Srila Prabhupada is that "everything I wanted to say I said in my books", which certainly can not be interpreted to mean that we are to ignore all his other instructions, many that were given aurally, for that would be the third offense, guru-avajna... especially when Srila Prabhupada stressed so much the value of aural reception .. letter to Kirtananda, 75-05-06 "... if it is any credit for me, that is what you have written, that I tried to give AURAL reception to the words of my Spiritual Master, Bhaktisiddhanta Sarasvati Goswami Maharaja, and thus I tried to engage my TONGUE in repeating the same words without any change Bg lecture, 74-04-04, Bombay Very simple thing. It doesn't require education. You can hear from your spiritual master what has Krsna said. It doesn't require even literacy. There are many great personalities, saintly persons. My Guru Maharaja's Guru Maharaja, he was illiterate, Gaura Kisora dasa Babaji Maharaja. He could not sign even his name. But my Guru Maharaja was the best scholar of his time. He accepted him as guru. So this is the process, SB lecture, 74-09-29, Mayapur We have to hear. My guru maharaja was very kind upon me because I was very much interested to hear him. That you know. I hear him. I did not understand him, actually. In the beginning I could not understand him. He was speaking in so high philosophical way that it was not... Still, I wanted to hear him. That was my only qualification. And after hearing? Endeavouring with firm faith, to follow BA lecture, 69-02-07, LA I am not very expert or educated or nothing extraordinary, but only thing is that I believed in his word. That is... You can say that is my qualification. I believed cent percent in his word. So whatever success is there, it is just due to my firm faith in his instruction. So I am trying to follow. And by his grace, you are helping me. So actually, the responsibility will now depend on you. This is one point. Another point is that many of Srila Prabhupadas words in his books have been changed to obliterate the meaning. Phrases obliterated include exactly these instructions that he gave for devotees on the farms, e.g. "a devotee must practise simple living" has been changed to "a devotee must be simple and straightforward in his dealings"!!!. There are many such examples of this, and they number in the hundreds. So how do we know exactly what Srila Prabhupada words in his books were??? Because of this unfortunate situation, it behooves every devotee to not follow blindly, but SEE what Srila Prabhupada wanted us to do- seeing through the medium of the ear, as is recommended... Prabhupada's Lectures Srimad-Bhagavatam 1969 691222SB.BOS ..Don't try to see by these eyes." These are, what is the value of this eye? They are conditioned in so many ways. You don't believe the eyes. See through the sastra, through the spiritual master, through the sastra. Try to see through this. That is perfect seeing Nowhere does Srila Prabhupada recommend blind following. One must find the actual order of the predecessor acarya and execute it. Then he becomes qualified as a bonafide spiritual master, fit to liberate the living entities from the ocean of birth and death. By changing the words of his guru, he does a great disservice to both his guru and to the living entities, who continue to remain entangled. This can be remedied, only by returning to the ORIGINAL orders and endeavouring to execute them with firm faith, or if one is a leader or spiritual master in our movement, making sure those original orders are known and that they are executed by all devotees, as far as possible... Bg lecture, 73-08-03, London. So how everyone can become a spiritual master? A spiritual master must have sufficient knowledge, so many other qualifications. No. Even without any qualifications, one can become a spiritual master. How? Now the process is, Caitanya Mahaprabhu says, amara ajnaya: "On My order." That is the crucial point. One does not become spiritual master by his own whims. That is not spiritual master. He must be ordered by superior authority. Then he's spiritual master. Amara ajnaya. Just like in our case. Our superior authority, our spiritual master, he ordered me that "You just try to preach this gospel, whatever you have learned from me, in English." So we have tried it. That's all. It is not that I am very much qualified.* The only qualification is that I have tried to execute the order of superior authority. That's all. This is the secret of success.* How much success Srila Prabhupada had! It cannot be compared with anything! How was it possible? We should not minimize his words! It is only possible, as he stressed, by finding out and executing the orders of the "superior authority", in our case, Srila Prabhupada himself, without change. There has been much discussion on the "guru issue", and after many falldowns, and we're left wondering who to trust with implicit faith. Here is a criteria which is clearly observable, and as Srila Prabhupada himself said, "the only necessary qualification" of being a guru. Is this person endeavouring to study and execute the orders of his own guru? There are SO many orders that are being ignored in ISKCON despite the presence of so many gurus!...address the guru issue on Srila Prabhupada's terms,... who is struggling against the apathy regarding the execution of Srila Prabhupada's instructions? Such a person is a real guru, even if he has no title, because he carries full faith in the words of his spiritual master and is therefore fit to liberate the conditioned souls from the cycle of birth and death. With even one such bonafide guru, the whole world can become Krsna Conscious- something that was in the process of happening when Srila Prabhupada was here. Another objection, which has become somewhat of a cliche in ISKCON to avoid the responsibility to carry out his order, is the "time place and circumstance" one. That the instructions for farms that Srila Prabhupada gave, were for a particular time place and circumstance, and do not apply to the present. However let us make particular note of the fact that Srila Prabhupada did not give these instructions SPECIFICALLY for one farm only, but they were repeated on every farm that he visited, and even very often when he was nowhere near a farm! Or near a farming devotee! They were very clearly a part of his GENERAL instructions as even a very brief purusal of the conversations books will reveal, and therefore the quote of "time, place and circumstance" does not apply. The responsibility to carry them out.is still ours. Those instructions are for all of us, whether we be disciples, grand-disciples, great-grand -disciples etc. we are actually all disciples of Srila Prabhupada, in a SIKSYA sense, as are all the souls of this world who take shelter in the Krsna Consciousness movement, and this will continue, as is predicted, for the next 10,000 years. We have deviated SO much even in the first 20 years after Srila Prabhupada's departure, with the disastrous consequence of losing many souls to maya. How many devotees know of this connection?-that the answer Srila Prabhupada gave, to the problem of people joining up, and being unable to follow strictly, and thus going away discouraged, never to be seen again,- a problem our society is rife with,- his suggestion was to place such struggling souls in an ideal rural varnasrama environment.... Ramesvara: In America there is a very big emphasis on getting people to join us by moving into our temples. The temple presidents are very eager to get as many people to move in as possible, but in the long run most people cannot come up to the standard. Prabhupada: Therefore I am... Farms. Ramesvara: So they have to be encouraged to have a little bit of Krsna consciousness in their own home, make their home a temple. Prabhupada: No, let them go to the farm, New Vrindaban. Ramesvara: Many people... Most people in the world, they are grhamedhis, and they cannot give it up so easily. Prabhupada: "No, you remain... Come here with your wife, children. You remain grhamedhi." Jagadisa: Because he knew this would make them happy and satisfied. Not everyone is a brahmana. Not everyone can be a full-time preacher. Still such people are often sincere. Everyone can preach by example, living according to the varna and asrama he is ideally suited to, and thus be happy and thus be able to REMAIN in that position, and then by this method, automatically, the PURPOSE of preaching is achieved- that people are attracted to follow. People will follow, not for a brief time, then to fall back into maya, as has been experienced by propagating only the first half of Srila Prabhupada's mission, book distribution, at the expense of the second half, varnasrama, but they will come, they will be attracted, they will learn a way of life that is very satisfying, and thus they will stay. Its not guaranteed, of course, there is always maya and the independence of the living entity to turn away from Krsna if he so desires, but by doing this, we make the situation favourable. That is all we can do, and we must, because it is Srila Prabhupada's order. Room Conversation Vrindaban, October 8, 1977 771008 .. Give them chance and make situation favorable. Is that clear? Or continuing to neglect such orders, only 22 years down the track and with barely a shadow of the movement we had, where will we end up by the year 11,977AD? We are the pioneers of this movement, with a great burden of responsibility to keep it on track. As Srila Prabhupada said in above quote: ..... So I am trying to follow. And by his grace, you are helping me. So actually, the responsibility will now depend on you... ____ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 26, 1999 Report Share Posted July 26, 1999 > > Another objection, which has become somewhat of a cliche in ISKCON to avoid > the > responsibility to carry out his order, is the "time place and circumstance" > one. > That the instructions for farms that Srila Prabhupada gave, were for a > particular time > place and circumstance, and do not apply to the present. However let us make > particular note of the fact that Srila Prabhupada did not give these > instructions > SPECIFICALLY for one farm only, but they were repeated on every farm that he > visited, and even very often when he was nowhere near a farm! Or near a > farming > devotee! They were very clearly a part of his GENERAL instructions as even a > very > brief purusal of the conversations books will reveal, and therefore the > quote of "time, > place and circumstance" does not apply. The responsibility to carry them > out.is still > ours. Srimad-Bhagavatam Canto 8: Chapter Twenty-four, Text 5 :PURPORT Without protection of cows, brahminical culture cannot be maintained; and without brahminical culture, the aim of life cannot be fulfilled. Srimad-Bhagavatam Canto 1: Chapter Nineteen, Text ; :PURPORT Cow protection means feeding the brahminical culture, which leads towards God consciousness, and thus perfection of human civilization is achieved. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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