Guest guest Posted July 15, 1999 Report Share Posted July 15, 1999 > > The idea they espouse (and believe is straightforward) is that due to > > the rule of Maryada Vyatikrama, a lower class vaisnava will voluntarily > > refrain from accepting disciples if a higher class Uttama adhikari > > vaisnava is available on the planet. So given that, they argue: If that is really the case, when Srila Prabhupada initiated disciples, the GM gurus were also doing it. Why??? Why they didn't bring prospective initiates to Srila Prabhupada and ask him to initiate? > > Or if that is not feasible, then like Rasikananda who mades disciples > > but brought them to the feet of Syamananda, so we should bring our > > disciples to take darshan and hear siksa from the lips of Uttama > > adhikari vaisnavas. Similarly, what if we bring in the argument: When Srila Prabhupada was physically present, why didn't they bring all their initiated disciples to Srila Prabhupada's lotus feet for siksa and follow Srila Prabhupada? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 18, 1999 Report Share Posted July 18, 1999 > > Or if that is not feasible, then like Rasikananda who mades disciples >but > > brought them to the feet of Syamananda, so we should bring our disciples > > to take darshan and hear siksa from the lips of Uttama adhikari >vaisnavas. > > > > Other god-brothers would (and are-some on this converence too) also >speak > > the same of B.V.Puri, and some for N. Maharaja as well. > > > > Just curious...In that light of your above comment (at the top) what do > > you say about that in relation to these statements? What is your > > recommendation for us to say who are getting such type of "spiritual >flak" > > here in Russia? > >According to my humble opinion, the answer is simple. The principles they >quote are okay. But the primemost principle for us is the instruction of >the >uttama adhikari who has influenced our lives the most i.e Srila Prabhupada. >And Srila Prabhupada has instructed us and taught by his own example not to >search outside ISKCON. So following the instructions of the uttama adhikari >Srila Prabhupada is of primary importance to us, his followers. Other >principles come afterwards. ABSOLUTELY Nayan Ranjana prabhu.Shrila Prabhupada's instructions for us to keep our distance from the Gaudiya Math are most clear.He has forbidden it.Anyone who gets involved with them is certainly NOT pleasing Shrila Prabhupada.If anyone wants the evidence of this just read my following posting - a letter Shrila Prabhupada wrote to one of his disciples expressly urging all his followers to steer clear of the Gaudiya Math.And if your are interested in more I can send you personally - even stuff about some present GM leaders attempts to disrupt our society.The later are real eye-openers and many devoteesare thanking me for informing them on this important matter. >Actually in the Krsna Bhajanamrita it is said that a disciple of a less >advanced diksha guru can approach a more advanced siksha only after >receiving the permission of his spiritual master. And even after that he >has >heard from the siksha guru he has to come and confirm it with his diksha >guru and then and only then he can put it into practice. So if the present >ISKCON gurus are prohibiting their disciples to go and accept siksha from >the GM gurus in pursuance with the orders of Srila Prabhupada, then it is >the duty of the granddisciples not to go to them as confirmed by Narhari >Sarkara Thakura. So this as per the sastra. I agree 100%.The shastra forbbids it,as does our founder acarya.END of argument.The devotees who wish,however,to continue on this path are in great peril. > > > Or if that is not feasible, then like Rasikananda who mades disciples > > > but brought them to the feet of Syamananda, so we should bring our > > > disciples to take darshan and hear siksa from the lips of Uttama > > > adhikari vaisnavas. As I have already written where IS that uttama adhikari who is light-years more advanced than all our gurus?And why is someone considered advanced?Because he talks of Radha and Krishna's loving passtimes a lot??Some innocent devotees think that if someone talks of rasa all day that they are advanced.What is this?Talk is cheap.Bhaktissidhanta Sarasvati Gosvami wanted his followers to get out the door and preach the cult of Lord Chaitanyadeva not to talk of rasa which he never did. >But the uttama adhikari whom we are following, our founder acharya, has >never taught us to do that and warned us against that. There was an attempt >to do this but we know the result that it ended in almost splitting our >movement. Yes prabhu Nayan Ranjana we had a near disaster in the mid 90s when a lot of our leading devotees got really into one particular Gaudiya Math person.The only result was chaos. Prabhupada knew what he was talking about when he warned us not to get involved with the GM.All we have to do is follow that very simple instruction with which some devotees are having a very hard time indeed.I pray these devotees will see the error of their ways. Yourservant and cousin, Nitaicandra das. ____ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 18, 1999 Report Share Posted July 18, 1999 > >Similarly, what if we bring in the argument: When Srila Prabhupada was >physically present, why didn't they bring all their initiated disciples to >Srila Prabhupada's lotus feet for siksa and follow Srila Prabhupada? Dear Vidvan Gauranga prbahu, PAMHO AGTSP.Very good point.This then brings up the point that maybe they aren't so concerned that all souls get the best chance for instructions from the highest devotee but that their motivation is simply gathering as many followers as possible as many have suspected all along.And that the argument that WE have the pure devotees and YOU don't is just a ploy.Anyone with half a brain must suspect this. YOur servant and cousin, Nitaicandra das. ____ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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