The Soul's Fall... The Final Word

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On 14 Jul 1999, Virender Dayal wrote:

> But this

> higher dimensional picture is being explained in our terms. When you map a

> higher dimensional function into a lower one, that's what happens.

 

What is the pramAna for this "higher dimensional picture" talk? The

statements about no time in the spiritual world cannot possibly

be the pramAna since that indicates one dimension from the

material world that is _not_ present in the spiritual world.

 

> The fact is we made a choice and and have not been put in the material world

> forever without making a choice.

 

Nobody has argued against this. The only question is whether

or not the choice is made from within the spiritual world.

 

> > jiiva has been in the material world beginninglessly, since he definitely

> > accepts that jiivas have had material activity beginninglessly.

 

> This speculation is invalid because experienced time does not necessarily

> equal time expired.

 

Let me guess, more higher-dimensional space-time continuum wormhole

stuff? It's only the spiritual world which is _free_

from the influence of time and demigods. In the material world, time

experienced in the material world is time expired; the

only question is the rate at which it expires relative to the rate at

which it is experienced (e.g. 1 Brahmaloka millisecond == 100 Bhuloka

years). However, there is no way to get back time once it's

gone, so beginningless material activity won't fit into

beginningful time. Rather, it must fit into beginningless time,

indicating a beginningless sojourn for the living entity in the

material world.

 

> Perhaps, I will get into this in the next newsletter and

> hopefully it will clarify some things for you as well.

 

Don't bother, as I may or may not read the newsletter (but

thanks for sending me 2 copies of each newsletter anyway, not

to mention the bonus ones through the COM conferences!)

 

Yours,

 

Vijay S. Pai