Is that varnasrama dharma? A Cut and Paste philosophy!

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> Last week, my wife and I were at my paternal aunt

> and uncle's house for dinner, and one of my cousin sisters remarked,

> "Nowadays, only 39 percent of men are willing to commit themselves to a

> marriage." (I personally know she is very anxious to get married.)

 

Hmm.. wasn't it 39.64 percent?

 

I know many unmarried boys anxious to get married. But the girls

(I don't know the percentage, ask your cousin sister) will wait

for the "prince" on the white horse to pick them up.

 

Anyway, the options are there. The ideal is to depend on Guru

and Krsna. Then, she can try to get the nice young suitable

husband. Then, well, she may also choose to share with another

women an enthusiastic old polygamist.

But let her at least get out the teenage stadium (if she is

still in).

 

 

> I

> remarked, "When milk is freely available in the market place, why keep a

> cow?" Her reply was, "That's a kind of gross example, but I understand

> what you are saying." In otherwords, in the clamor for power (they call

> it "equality", but that's a farce), [western] women have short-changed

> themselves of stable marriages.

 

 

Wait a moment! What now Western women are to be blamed for your

cousin sister's 39 percent only of men that are willing to get

married?

I suppose that your idea is that (Western) men can get easily

free sex nowadays (due to certain lack of dharmic principles),

so therefore they don't need to go into marriage. But there have

been always enough prostitutes, even in the Vedic times, so if

that is the reason (free sex), then something wrong must be

with men.

 

Well, in any case, it is getting quite clear that some great

souls among us got to sacrifice themselves for the sake of

the peace and prosperity in this ISCKON, I mean, there is the

unbalance of 61 percent of women that gonna stay unmarried

otherwise.

 

"Women more, women more, more, more, women women

Women mine, women mine, mine mine, women women."

 

 

>

> With regard to the rest of your response to Ameyatma Prabhu, there are

> reasons why women should stay in the back, and why, as far as possible

> (and

 

I think the reason is quite obvious -- you might happen to see

one smiling on you, otherwise, and there we gooo...oops

(I mean, we men do understand each other here, don't we? I am sure

both Samba and especially Janesvara would agree with me at least

on this, wouldn't they? It's in accordance to guru-sadhu-sastra as

well.)

 

 

>

> Anyway, I'm not trying to instruct you, or anything like that. I am only

> trying to describe the social environment to which Ameyatma Prabhu is

> directing his comments (which is largely western). Since you mentioned

> your background as being non-Western, I thought some background might be

> helpful. Of course, you live in the West, but just to minimize the chances

> of misunderstanding, I am pointing out some facets of modern, western

> thinking.

 

Now, we now that the West is rotten. You don't need to be born

in America to get it. The birth in Iran or India would make

it quite sufficient in this regard.

 

Yet, the polygamy has been in the non-stop practice in this world

since time immemorial, and yet the world remains the old good

rotten one. I doubt that our Ameyatma prabhu (or any of our ISCKON

polygamists-"pioneers") would impress anybody in, let's say any

Muslim country, with his eventual few women.

 

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OK, you certainly don't refer here explicitly on polygmi, but

the fallen social circumstances in general. So, exactly in that

context, I might have the feeling regarding that what could be

shocking for Akhilesvara prabhu (at least it is surely for me).

That is, considering *such* circumstances, nothing less but the

*ideal* Vedic *woman* is being *demanded* by some our Dharma "gurus",

like Ameyatma prabhu. Scaring, yes. Whenever I hear someone speaking

like him, propagating himself as a carrier of the Religion-torch,

being after others (*women* in any case) if they are anything less

than sastric ideal, al the alarms go on...

(the Religion-torch makes not only the light, but the excessive

heat as well. many got burned by it, throughout the History. many

women in ISCKON as well, so far)

 

 

 

 

- mnd

 

PS.

 

Speaking about ideals and Dharma. Me being a sudra, am I allowed

to go marry more wifes that only one. How many?

And how about brahmanas? Are they also polygamists like ksatriyas?

Are they expected to get "married" rather to more Vedic knowledge

than to Vedic women?

 

Anybody knowledgeable on this?