The Soul's Fall... The Final Word

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> If he is sincere,

> > then gradually he can understand what is meant by this. Not that we take

> > the statement by itself and say "oh, see, this is an absolute"

>

> There is no evidence suggesting that Srila Prabhupada's statement is not

> absolute.

 

 

If you want to be thoroughly scientific, and that's what you are

imposing on others here, then yes, we take it that "there is no

evidence suggesting that SP's statement is not absolute". Be it.

 

Now you have put yourself into the bizarre situation. Taking the

meaning of the world "eternally conditioned" to have the absolute

meaning, you have ruled out so many truths. Look in OED and see

the meaning of "eternal". It is something beginningless, yes, but

*endless* as well. If the conditioned soul can in any moment

cease to be conditioned (depending on his desire and will to

surrender to Krsna), then he is not *eternally* conditioned.

You got to take the *relative* meaning of the world "eternal"

to go around it, and definitely NOT the absolute meaning.

 

Next. The Brahman. It is the state of liberation. So by ruling

out the possibility of "nitya-baddha" soul's prior existence in

the Spiritual World by claiming that "eternally conditioned" is

an absolute statement, you have automatically ruled out the

possibility of jivas coming from Brahman. And you ought to be

aware of many *explicit* statements that jivas in Brahmana can't

stay permanently in that position, due to the very nature of

the soul to be active. So these souls most usually descend into the

material realm, where they get into maya's grip and become

"eternally conditioned". Then they again may liberate themselves

and go in Brahman, and again descend...

 

 

So decide wether you really want to stick to the *absolute* meaning

of the expression "eternally conditioned". If you do, you will

create a lot of trouble to yourself to provide some sane and not

speculative explanation to the most basic truths as found in

Prabhupada's books that would be ruled out by his(?) absolute

meaning of the expression. Think about it first, and then make

up your mind. Tell us what you have decided.

 

 

 

- mnd