How to start varnasrama

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> I did not omit the sentence for any other reason than my point. Obviously,

> you don't know the difference between varna and asrama. I suggest you go

> back to Srila Prabhupada's books and study varnasrama a lot more.

>

 

Your proposal that I don't know the difference between varna and

asrama is quite a floppy answer from you. Trying to ridicule me

makes no point for you.

 

 

> Brahmacari is asrama, not varna. So my point was they are teaching asrama

> first, varna later.

 

It is traditional in the Vedic culture to call a student

"brahmacari". Already from the young age (from birth till 25),

unmaried boys in the guru's asrama are called "brahmacari".

However, this has yet nothing to do with determining person's

actual asrama. This is to be done later on, after the training

in the asrama.

 

OK, if the expression "brahmacari" for a student (or unmarried

Hare Krsna monk in the temple) is that what makes you all disturbed

and confused, then you call it as you like. Say just "student", or

"mamacary" or whatever you like.

 

Everybody is expected to get some training in celibacy ("brahmacarya"

in Sanskrit), from the very birth. The small boys and girls are

separated already from the age of 5 or 6 (boys get sent to gurukula).

Teaching the boys to brahmacarya does not mean determining *asrama*

yet. Now you can blast away the entire Vedic culture for "teaching

asrama first, varna later". For opposing the principle "first varna

then asrama". Just because you are confused over what does it

mean to determine one's actual asrama.

 

 

> This was not Prabhupada's as he presented it in

> Vrindavana 1974 nor in Feb 1977 wherein he clearly described and defined

> the direction he wanted his movement to go in. It has not been going in

> that direction for 25 years.

>

 

What now your "25 years"?? You have just got to hear the proposal

for some change in this regard. That is, first one stays in

the temple for three years, there he practices celibacy of

the student life along receiving the other training (both

spiritual and "varnic"). THEN one decides the ACTUAL asrama,

wether to get married or not. THIS is the moment when the *actual*

asrama is being determined -- to make the decision on wether to

marry or not. Just to be unmarried student is not an asrama yet.

 

Why are you then accusing that proposal as against "first varna

then asrama"? How, for God's sake, got to be otherwise? Tell us.

 

 

 

> Clear?

 

Sir, yes sir.

(I mean, I hope so at least, if you give me your acknowledge

of it. I don't know, otherwise, what's varna and what's asrama,

nor wether it's clear to me or not..)

 

 

 

- mnd