gurukulas - slaughter houses

[Guest guest]

> that you are calling other immature makes me laugh.

 

It wasn't Premananda who called someone immature, it was someone

else. You are quoting the wrong guy.

 

>What do you

> think immature means -

 

What do _you_ think it means?

 

>you throw out all these fanatical

> statements - things we simply can´t take seriously.

 

I agree that Premananda doesn't have the most gentle way of

expressing himself. I also think that his sounding as what you

call fanatical could have someting to do with the fact that

English is not his first language. All he has said is that we

should stay together and not leave ISKCON. I agree with that.

That's what Srila Prabhupada instructed us to do.

 

> Immature

> actually means not being able to put into practice what one has

> heard - that seems to define your position pretty well. Maybe

> you are a nice guy, but please leave us alone.

 

When will we ever learn to respect each other's points of view?

If we can't hear what a devotee has to say without getting

passionate about it, how will we ever make things better in

ISKCON?

 

Your servant

Jahnu das

[Guest guest]

Hare Krishna.

 

> >you throw out all these fanatical

> > statements - things we simply can´t take seriously.

>

> I agree that Premananda doesn't have the most gentle way of

> expressing himself. I also think that his sounding as what you

> call fanatical could have someting to do with the fact that

> English is not his first language.

 

Premananda Gaura lives here in the Alachua community. I know him and like

him and enjoy his association.

 

As one who is a dedicated anti-fanatic, and therefore inclined to see

fanaticism where it is not, I am qualified to say that he is no fanatic. He

is simply passionate about his Krsna Consciousness, as he is about

everything; this is where the mood you percieve in his texts comes from.

 

Hare Krishna --

 

your servant, Balarama Dasa

[Guest guest]

Hare Krishna.

 

> >you throw out all these fanatical

> > statements - things we simply can´t take seriously.

>

> I agree that Premananda doesn't have the most gentle way of

> expressing himself. I also think that his sounding as what you

> call fanatical could have someting to do with the fact that

> English is not his first language.

 

Premananda Gaura lives here in the Alachua community. I know him and like

him and enjoy his association.

 

As one who is a dedicated anti-fanatic, and therefore inclined to see

fanaticism where it is not, I am qualified to say that he is no fanatic. He

is simply passionate about his Krsna Consciousness, as he is about

everything; this is where the mood you percieve in his texts comes from.

 

Hare Krishna --

 

your servant, Balarama Dasa

[Guest guest]

Thanks jahnu prabhu for your nice replay to the letter,apart from all this

points I just like to let you know that we have a wonderfull Nama Hatta here

yesterday in RAMA VIJAY,Radanatha swami was here ,we burnt ravana,have fire

works,and serve a wonderfull prasadam feast,is SO NICE TO HAVE SUCH A

BEAUTIFULL FAMILY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!THANKS SRILA

PRABHUPADA FOR YOUR WONDERFUL GIFT,I just beg to LORD NITYANANDA, so I may

continue,to serve vaisnavas untill my last breath,cultivation of the

congregation by nama hattas ,is the nectar,every day more devotees come,and

guests I got some friends from orlando,2 hours drive,that came and even

devotees from tallahase,is wonderfull to serve the vaisnavas,we have 150 to

200 plates of prasadham all glories to SRILA PRABHUPADA and all the

wonderfull devotees of LORD

GOURANGA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!JAI

 

ps

please forgive my writing ,yes im from south america,sorry my english

 

premananda goura das

[Guest guest]

Thanks jahnu prabhu for your nice replay to the letter,apart from all this

points I just like to let you know that we have a wonderfull Nama Hatta here

yesterday in RAMA VIJAY,Radanatha swami was here ,we burnt ravana,have fire

works,and serve a wonderfull prasadam feast,is SO NICE TO HAVE SUCH A

BEAUTIFULL FAMILY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!THANKS SRILA

PRABHUPADA FOR YOUR WONDERFUL GIFT,I just beg to LORD NITYANANDA, so I may

continue,to serve vaisnavas untill my last breath,cultivation of the

congregation by nama hattas ,is the nectar,every day more devotees come,and

guests I got some friends from orlando,2 hours drive,that came and even

devotees from tallahase,is wonderfull to serve the vaisnavas,we have 150 to

200 plates of prasadham all glories to SRILA PRABHUPADA and all the

wonderfull devotees of LORD

GOURANGA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!JAI

 

ps

please forgive my writing ,yes im from south america,sorry my english

 

premananda goura das

[Guest guest]

> > > When SP said dont leave the temple do you think he is

> > > refering to the phisical temple or the temple standart that

> > > we have to follow even out side the temple I can see that you are very

> > > inmature ,I know that many gurukulis are not gonna be very happy for

> > > what I said,SP said if we leave the

> > > ssoatiation of devotees we become again,rascals,demons, is

> > > not me,Baktisidhanta Sarasvati said that if anyone thinks

> > > that he is advancing espiritually with out the assosiaion of

> > > devotees he is allucinaiting,so to create a new ISKCON we

> > > have to have a spiritual standart,change comes from

> > > inside,what you want to do?? destroy it and the create a new

> > > thing american stile??we have to stop pointing fingers and

> > > embrace each other ,and serve guru and krsna in bakti

> > > yoga,the reality is that we the devotees that leave out side

> > > the temple are not in the same spirit of preaching of our

> > > beloved SRILA PRABHUPADA, most of us are not doing nama

>

> > Better immature and open to learn than fanatic, dear friend.

>

> Better to be fanatically dedicated to Srila Prabhupada's mission.

 

I strongly disagree! Maybe you can take some time to look that word

("fanatical") up in the dictionary. At least in the German one the

explanation of that word is *only* negative (and when I used it I was aware

of that). It says there: to engage o.s. blindly and passionately, trying to

convince others in an intolerant and impatient way. I do not believe that

Prabhupada would have liked that.

 

And

> better not to be open to learn from the wrong sources.

 

What are the "wrong sources"? Do you know so well that mine are wrong and

yours are right?

 

Your other letter I cannot answer as I don't have enough time to read and

reply to such long statments.

 

Ys Vsd

[Guest guest]

> > > When SP said dont leave the temple do you think he is

> > > refering to the phisical temple or the temple standart that

> > > we have to follow even out side the temple I can see that you are very

> > > inmature ,I know that many gurukulis are not gonna be very happy for

> > > what I said,SP said if we leave the

> > > ssoatiation of devotees we become again,rascals,demons, is

> > > not me,Baktisidhanta Sarasvati said that if anyone thinks

> > > that he is advancing espiritually with out the assosiaion of

> > > devotees he is allucinaiting,so to create a new ISKCON we

> > > have to have a spiritual standart,change comes from

> > > inside,what you want to do?? destroy it and the create a new

> > > thing american stile??we have to stop pointing fingers and

> > > embrace each other ,and serve guru and krsna in bakti

> > > yoga,the reality is that we the devotees that leave out side

> > > the temple are not in the same spirit of preaching of our

> > > beloved SRILA PRABHUPADA, most of us are not doing nama

>

> > Better immature and open to learn than fanatic, dear friend.

>

> Better to be fanatically dedicated to Srila Prabhupada's mission.

 

I strongly disagree! Maybe you can take some time to look that word

("fanatical") up in the dictionary. At least in the German one the

explanation of that word is *only* negative (and when I used it I was aware

of that). It says there: to engage o.s. blindly and passionately, trying to

convince others in an intolerant and impatient way. I do not believe that

Prabhupada would have liked that.

 

And

> better not to be open to learn from the wrong sources.

 

What are the "wrong sources"? Do you know so well that mine are wrong and

yours are right?

 

Your other letter I cannot answer as I don't have enough time to read and

reply to such long statments.

 

Ys Vsd

[Guest guest]

> When will we ever learn to respect each other's points of view?

> If we can't hear what a devotee has to say without getting

> passionate about it, how will we ever make things better in

> ISKCON?

>

> Your servant

> Jahnu das

This is a very relevant point! More points of view give a better overall

view of the real situation and of what could be done. It must be possible to

clean up the mess but only if we don`t sweep anything under the carpet and

dont deny others a right to feel as they do.

 

It is useless to attack someone like Premananda Prabhu, he is obviously

doing his best. Let the anger go towards the demoniac and impersonalistic

mentality and the persons using this mentality to abuse others.

Can we learn from history and create proper facilities for our families in

or out of ISKCON? How will we do it? How does some do it?

 

One thing we could do were to contribute financially to the Children of

Krishna. We could have one day a year for instance, where all the devotees

collected for them, the Children of Krishna day.

Another thing one could do is to take up the responsibility of making a

collection in ones yatra. The GBC could encourage such events to show their

good will.

 

It is really difficult to see immediate solutions or easy ones. To send

your child to a karmi-school might prove just as much a failure and a hell

as anything else. However one thing we can do is to be honest to ourselves

and others. We might realize that most of us are fighting for the same

cause. Therefor I find it frustrating that mostly when these points are

brought up the results are either fights or silence but nothing practical.

Lets make a collection again for the Children of Krishna! Could someone

kindly provide the adress? I start of with 500 dk kr.Please join in to

inspire others! As far as I know we are quite some members on this

conference.

 

 

Ys. Gm d.d.

[Guest guest]

> When will we ever learn to respect each other's points of view?

> If we can't hear what a devotee has to say without getting

> passionate about it, how will we ever make things better in

> ISKCON?

>

> Your servant

> Jahnu das

This is a very relevant point! More points of view give a better overall

view of the real situation and of what could be done. It must be possible to

clean up the mess but only if we don`t sweep anything under the carpet and

dont deny others a right to feel as they do.

 

It is useless to attack someone like Premananda Prabhu, he is obviously

doing his best. Let the anger go towards the demoniac and impersonalistic

mentality and the persons using this mentality to abuse others.

Can we learn from history and create proper facilities for our families in

or out of ISKCON? How will we do it? How does some do it?

 

One thing we could do were to contribute financially to the Children of

Krishna. We could have one day a year for instance, where all the devotees

collected for them, the Children of Krishna day.

Another thing one could do is to take up the responsibility of making a

collection in ones yatra. The GBC could encourage such events to show their

good will.

 

It is really difficult to see immediate solutions or easy ones. To send

your child to a karmi-school might prove just as much a failure and a hell

as anything else. However one thing we can do is to be honest to ourselves

and others. We might realize that most of us are fighting for the same

cause. Therefor I find it frustrating that mostly when these points are

brought up the results are either fights or silence but nothing practical.

Lets make a collection again for the Children of Krishna! Could someone

kindly provide the adress? I start of with 500 dk kr.Please join in to

inspire others! As far as I know we are quite some members on this

conference.

 

 

Ys. Gm d.d.

[Guest guest]

Dear prabhus,its ok if I am call a fanatic o wherever you try to call me, its

fine with me,SRILA PRABHUPADA cry thanking the devotees, to help him fulfill

the desire of SARASVATI MAHARAJA,I have seen my spiritual master shed tears

for ISKCON,there are many wonderful vaisnavas giving their live and soul to

ISKCON,I love iskcon,this devotee call me fanatic,but I think she

misunderstood me, here at RAMANA RETI we have most of the community living

out side the temple, it is wonderful to see the different little temples that

devotees have and so many wonderful devotees, SP wanted all of us to make our

house a temple, but for what??to save our selfs??no, to preach to save more

and more people to make our kids KC, are we doing that ??no,we spend more

time talking prayalpa,and we are not giving our kids the rigth medicine,serve

together,chant rounds together,cook together,do bajans ,we as grihastras are

laking of KC at least I am,but the problem is not coming just from

gurukula,we as parents are letting our youth to mix themselfs with

materialistic peolple,the problem is that because our foundations are not

strong,what to speak our kids,instead of our kids bringing people to

KRSNA,they are trying to imitate karmis,and end up in illution thinking out

there in the material with out sadhana bakti,is a chance for happines.

,When was the last time we bathe our deites at as a family?Real love to

children and sons is to no just have a roof over their heads ,and pay a

tuition,so they can become,good money makers,real love is to teach them to

love SRILA PRABHUPA,and all his paraphernalia,devotees temples etc,and not

just say it,but practically,doing service as a family,.

So I can take any critizim,after all Im nobody,but please I just beg you to

please becarfull the way you refer in general to ISKCON,there are many

wonderfull souls as we speak doing lots of service,

your servant

premananda goura das

[Guest guest]

Dear prabhus,its ok if I am call a fanatic o wherever you try to call me, its

fine with me,SRILA PRABHUPADA cry thanking the devotees, to help him fulfill

the desire of SARASVATI MAHARAJA,I have seen my spiritual master shed tears

for ISKCON,there are many wonderful vaisnavas giving their live and soul to

ISKCON,I love iskcon,this devotee call me fanatic,but I think she

misunderstood me, here at RAMANA RETI we have most of the community living

out side the temple, it is wonderful to see the different little temples that

devotees have and so many wonderful devotees, SP wanted all of us to make our

house a temple, but for what??to save our selfs??no, to preach to save more

and more people to make our kids KC, are we doing that ??no,we spend more

time talking prayalpa,and we are not giving our kids the rigth medicine,serve

together,chant rounds together,cook together,do bajans ,we as grihastras are

laking of KC at least I am,but the problem is not coming just from

gurukula,we as parents are letting our youth to mix themselfs with

materialistic peolple,the problem is that because our foundations are not

strong,what to speak our kids,instead of our kids bringing people to

KRSNA,they are trying to imitate karmis,and end up in illution thinking out

there in the material with out sadhana bakti,is a chance for happines.

,When was the last time we bathe our deites at as a family?Real love to

children and sons is to no just have a roof over their heads ,and pay a

tuition,so they can become,good money makers,real love is to teach them to

love SRILA PRABHUPA,and all his paraphernalia,devotees temples etc,and not

just say it,but practically,doing service as a family,.

So I can take any critizim,after all Im nobody,but please I just beg you to

please becarfull the way you refer in general to ISKCON,there are many

wonderfull souls as we speak doing lots of service,

your servant

premananda goura das

[Guest guest]

> Dear prabhus,its ok if I am call a fanatic o wherever you try to call me,

> its fine with me,SRILA PRABHUPADA cry thanking the devotees, to help him

> fulfill the desire of SARASVATI MAHARAJA,I have seen my spiritual master

> shed tears for ISKCON,there are many wonderful vaisnavas giving their live

> and soul to ISKCON,I love iskcon,this devotee call me fanatic,but I think

> she misunderstood me, here at RAMANA RETI we have most of the community

> living out side the temple, it is wonderful to see the different little

> temples that devotees have and so many wonderful devotees, SP wanted all

> of us to make our house a temple, but for what??to save our selfs??no, to

> preach to save more and more people to make our kids KC, are we doing that

> ??no,we spend more time talking prayalpa,and we are not giving our kids

> the rigth medicine,serve together,chant rounds together,cook together,do

> bajans ,we as grihastras are laking of KC at least I am,but the problem is

> not coming just from gurukula,we as parents are letting our youth to mix

> themselfs with materialistic peolple,the problem is that because our

> foundations are not strong,what to speak our kids,instead of our kids

> bringing people to KRSNA,they are trying to imitate karmis,and end up in

> illution thinking out there in the material with out sadhana bakti,is a

> chance for happines. ,When was the last time we bathe our deites at as a

> family?Real love to children and sons is to no just have a roof over their

> heads ,and pay a tuition,so they can become,good money makers,real love is

> to teach them to love SRILA PRABHUPA,and all his paraphernalia,devotees

> temples etc,and not just say it,but practically,doing service as a

> family,.

> So I can take any critizim,after all Im nobody,but please I just beg you

> to please becarfull the way you refer in general to ISKCON,there are many

> wonderfull souls as we speak doing lots of service, your servant

> premananda goura das

 

Hare Krsna.

 

I am not referring in general to ISKCON, but to the bad things in ISKCON,

and there are more than enough of them. That there are also good things and

good devotees is clear, we don't have to discuss that. You haven't changed

my viewpoint with nothing you said, though. And I haven't changed yours

obviously. I don't mind. So let's just end this, please. I can respect your

opinion without again and again repeating and emphasizing mine, and I'd be

happy if you could, too (and everybody else defending you). Thank you.

 

Ys Vsd

[Guest guest]

> Dear prabhus,its ok if I am call a fanatic o wherever you try to call me,

> its fine with me,SRILA PRABHUPADA cry thanking the devotees, to help him

> fulfill the desire of SARASVATI MAHARAJA,I have seen my spiritual master

> shed tears for ISKCON,there are many wonderful vaisnavas giving their live

> and soul to ISKCON,I love iskcon,this devotee call me fanatic,but I think

> she misunderstood me, here at RAMANA RETI we have most of the community

> living out side the temple, it is wonderful to see the different little

> temples that devotees have and so many wonderful devotees, SP wanted all

> of us to make our house a temple, but for what??to save our selfs??no, to

> preach to save more and more people to make our kids KC, are we doing that

> ??no,we spend more time talking prayalpa,and we are not giving our kids

> the rigth medicine,serve together,chant rounds together,cook together,do

> bajans ,we as grihastras are laking of KC at least I am,but the problem is

> not coming just from gurukula,we as parents are letting our youth to mix

> themselfs with materialistic peolple,the problem is that because our

> foundations are not strong,what to speak our kids,instead of our kids

> bringing people to KRSNA,they are trying to imitate karmis,and end up in

> illution thinking out there in the material with out sadhana bakti,is a

> chance for happines. ,When was the last time we bathe our deites at as a

> family?Real love to children and sons is to no just have a roof over their

> heads ,and pay a tuition,so they can become,good money makers,real love is

> to teach them to love SRILA PRABHUPA,and all his paraphernalia,devotees

> temples etc,and not just say it,but practically,doing service as a

> family,.

> So I can take any critizim,after all Im nobody,but please I just beg you

> to please becarfull the way you refer in general to ISKCON,there are many

> wonderfull souls as we speak doing lots of service, your servant

> premananda goura das

 

Hare Krsna.

 

I am not referring in general to ISKCON, but to the bad things in ISKCON,

and there are more than enough of them. That there are also good things and

good devotees is clear, we don't have to discuss that. You haven't changed

my viewpoint with nothing you said, though. And I haven't changed yours

obviously. I don't mind. So let's just end this, please. I can respect your

opinion without again and again repeating and emphasizing mine, and I'd be

happy if you could, too (and everybody else defending you). Thank you.

 

Ys Vsd

[Guest guest]

> What are the "wrong sources"? Do you know so well that mine are

> wrong and yours are right?

 

That's easy. We just have to check our sources with guru, sadhu

and sastra, then we know if they are right or wrong.

 

> Your other letter I cannot answer as I don't have enough time

> to read and reply to such long statments.

 

It wasn't really that long, but that's ok. I'm mainly preaching

to myself.

 

Ys, Jahnu das

[Guest guest]

> What are the "wrong sources"? Do you know so well that mine are

> wrong and yours are right?

 

That's easy. We just have to check our sources with guru, sadhu

and sastra, then we know if they are right or wrong.

 

> Your other letter I cannot answer as I don't have enough time

> to read and reply to such long statments.

 

It wasn't really that long, but that's ok. I'm mainly preaching

to myself.

 

Ys, Jahnu das

[Guest guest]

ALL GLORIES TO SRILA PRABHUPADA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!ISKCON KI

JAI!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

premananda goura das

[Guest guest]

ALL GLORIES TO SRILA PRABHUPADA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!ISKCON KI

JAI!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

premananda goura das

[Guest guest]

I feel so sorry that you are still little biter after our exchange of

opinions,we have to soften our hearts,with vaisnava sanga ,and actually have

all this exchanges in a more vaisnava way,im pretty sure you are a wonderfull

soul,an deserve all my respect,please again if I make offense please forgive

my offenses

your servant

premananda goura das

[Guest guest]

I feel so sorry that you are still little biter after our exchange of

opinions,we have to soften our hearts,with vaisnava sanga ,and actually have

all this exchanges in a more vaisnava way,im pretty sure you are a wonderfull

soul,an deserve all my respect,please again if I make offense please forgive

my offenses

your servant

premananda goura das

[Guest guest]

> I feel so sorry that you are still little biter after our exchange of

> opinions,we have to soften our hearts,with vaisnava sanga ,and actually

> have all this exchanges in a more vaisnava way,im pretty sure you are a

> wonderfull soul,an deserve all my respect,please again if I make offense

> please forgive my offenses your servant

> premananda goura das

 

Don't worry. There's no bitterness. I wonder why you had that impression. I

just wanted to end this exchange and said so directly. Sorry if that sounded

unfriendly, I didn't mean it that way at all. I also have no doubt that you

are a wonderful soul. There were no offenses from your side, and I hope also

not from mine. All I criticized was your writing in an extreme and fanatical

way, but I also mentioned that I do believe that you want the best. Maybe

you remember...?--

I am leaving for some time and will not be on Com anymore from today on.

I wish you all the best!

Ys Vrajasundari dasi

[Guest guest]

> I feel so sorry that you are still little biter after our exchange of

> opinions,we have to soften our hearts,with vaisnava sanga ,and actually

> have all this exchanges in a more vaisnava way,im pretty sure you are a

> wonderfull soul,an deserve all my respect,please again if I make offense

> please forgive my offenses your servant

> premananda goura das

 

Don't worry. There's no bitterness. I wonder why you had that impression. I

just wanted to end this exchange and said so directly. Sorry if that sounded

unfriendly, I didn't mean it that way at all. I also have no doubt that you

are a wonderful soul. There were no offenses from your side, and I hope also

not from mine. All I criticized was your writing in an extreme and fanatical

way, but I also mentioned that I do believe that you want the best. Maybe

you remember...?--

I am leaving for some time and will not be on Com anymore from today on.

I wish you all the best!

Ys Vrajasundari dasi

[Guest guest]

> In the Kali-yuga society things are degrading

> fast and all kinds of horrible abuse of children and women are

> every day facts of life. They don't even make it to the news

> anymore. It is so common. How can it surprise anyone that these

> things are happening in ISKCON, too?

 

>Your servant

>Jahnu das

 

How can you say such a thing.May be the abuse of children and women a very

common things to you, but not to me and many other devotees in ISKCON.It is

obvious that with this statement you are trying to minimize the crime

committed, and are trying to protect the guilty partys.

 

Over 1.000 children vere abused for a period of 25 years in ISKCON.One whole

generation of devotees practically destroyed.This is the biggest child

abuse in the modern history of man kind and you say "dont be surprised, this

is so common".

 

Just for the fact, people outside of ISKCON consider sexual child abuse the

most disgusting crime of all crimes, and it is not so common as you say it

is (may be only in ISKCON), to steal the innocence from the child.Most

lawyers refuse to protect in court such disgusting creature (pedophil),

because it is not such a common thing that happens in the world today.

 

Your servant

Janaka das

[Guest guest]

> In the Kali-yuga society things are degrading

> fast and all kinds of horrible abuse of children and women are

> every day facts of life. They don't even make it to the news

> anymore. It is so common. How can it surprise anyone that these

> things are happening in ISKCON, too?

 

>Your servant

>Jahnu das

 

How can you say such a thing.May be the abuse of children and women a very

common things to you, but not to me and many other devotees in ISKCON.It is

obvious that with this statement you are trying to minimize the crime

committed, and are trying to protect the guilty partys.

 

Over 1.000 children vere abused for a period of 25 years in ISKCON.One whole

generation of devotees practically destroyed.This is the biggest child

abuse in the modern history of man kind and you say "dont be surprised, this

is so common".

 

Just for the fact, people outside of ISKCON consider sexual child abuse the

most disgusting crime of all crimes, and it is not so common as you say it

is (may be only in ISKCON), to steal the innocence from the child.Most

lawyers refuse to protect in court such disgusting creature (pedophil),

because it is not such a common thing that happens in the world today.

 

Your servant

Janaka das

[Guest guest]

>

>

> Over 1.000 children vere abused for a period of 25 years in ISKCON.One whole

> generation of devotees practically destroyed.This is the biggest child

> abuse in the modern history of man kind and you say "dont be surprised, this

> is so common".

>

 

Well, if you were to go to the Lakota people and discuss their history of

education, it might give a little perspective as to it being "the biggest

child

abuse in the modern history". I have Lakota friends my age who were forced

from

their homes at 5 and 6, put into boarding schools, made to wear Western

clothes, beaten if they spoke their native tongue, their hair cut short

against their religious principle. (Lakota joke about Jesuit priests who ran

the schools. They were sel o bit (celibate). S.O.B. )

 

In ISKCON, at least the parents had some option to pull their kids out. When

my oldest daughter was beaten by her ashram teacher, my wife promptly went and

beat up the ashram teacher. Lakota mothers did not have that option.

 

Although I know one potent medicine man who was taken by his grandparents and

hidden away in the hills and given traditional education.

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>

> Over 1.000 children vere abused for a period of 25 years in ISKCON.One whole

> generation of devotees practically destroyed.This is the biggest child

> abuse in the modern history of man kind and you say "dont be surprised, this

> is so common".

>

 

Well, if you were to go to the Lakota people and discuss their history of

education, it might give a little perspective as to it being "the biggest

child

abuse in the modern history". I have Lakota friends my age who were forced

from

their homes at 5 and 6, put into boarding schools, made to wear Western

clothes, beaten if they spoke their native tongue, their hair cut short

against their religious principle. (Lakota joke about Jesuit priests who ran

the schools. They were sel o bit (celibate). S.O.B. )

 

In ISKCON, at least the parents had some option to pull their kids out. When

my oldest daughter was beaten by her ashram teacher, my wife promptly went and

beat up the ashram teacher. Lakota mothers did not have that option.

 

Although I know one potent medicine man who was taken by his grandparents and

hidden away in the hills and given traditional education.