gurukulas - slaughter houses

[Guest guest]

> I can't do much about at the moment but simply make it

> public; keeping abusers and abuses in private is what gave to

> child abusers the dark and quiet room to act in, to go abusing

> one after another...

> Besides, Jahnu's obvious self-confidence in his mad attacks on

> anybody that his sick mind directs him on, discloses to me that

> he feels quite secure. He's not afraid of any sanction from the

> side of those who are his masters, who supply him with his

> paycheck/ maintenance, who keep him engaged in such "service"

> to ISCKON.

 

What are you speaking of? What pay-check are you speaking of? I

don't receive any paychecks from ISKCON. For the last two months

I have been working for the BBT and is NOT being maintained. but

receive a tiny salery. I am being maintained by the Danish state

and earn extra by going out and distributing prasadam. You on the

other hand have been maintained by the BBT for the last 18 years

while at the same time receiving money from the Swedish

government as a refugee from Yugoslavia. Who are you to speak? I

have never, ever been maintained by the temple except for my

first 5 years as a brahmacari when I gave all my social welfare

to the temple. And don't give me this hype that I condemn all

Yogoslavians. That was a private statement which I blurted out

in the heat of the moment because I felt deeply offended by you,

and because I felt you were such a dishonest hypocrite. Some of

my best friends are yogoslavians like Janakarsi and Jaggy who are

also your friends.

[Guest guest]

> I don't understand why Mahaniddhi sends my private letters to him

> in a public conference.

 

 

 

 

Acha! So sorry. Seems like lots of private email ends up on public forums.

 

What I try to do (not too successfully, I might add) is expect any private

correspondence to eventually end up in public; so discretion is

the............

[Guest guest]

> Why the ,,,,..do you write me then? Where would you be without

> ISKCON, huh? Over there in Yugo-land killing and raping like all

> the other idiots over there.

 

Dear Jahnu, "chant Hare Krishna and be Happy"

 

Good luck

 

Harsi das

[Guest guest]

>

> What are you speaking of? What pay-check are you speaking of? I

> don't receive any paychecks from ISKCON.

 

Your name, and the amount of the money to be paid out next to

it, used also to be on the VT's list of payments. This at least

a accounter/book-keeper got to know, or not?

The particular service that you were then assigned to by Harikesa,

and that you were paid for, was to be a "watchdog" for ISCKON. You

were (and you did) to be surfing around through the cyberspace and

tracing down everybody and anybody that you could consider to be a

(potential) enemy to ISCKON, those who speak bad about ISCKON and

the GBC and the authorities... Than you would bring the collected

"material" to the higher authorities.

 

However, I could expect that you might be doing now that

service even without being paid. Quite possible.

 

 

> I have been working for the BBT and is NOT being maintained. but

> receive a tiny salery. I am being maintained by the Danish state

> and earn extra by going out and distributing prasadam.

 

The maintenance in the BBT is according to how much you work

for it. We all know it, don't we? You work a full time, you get

a full time maintenance. You work a tiny time, you get "a tiny

salary". More simple than that can't be.

 

 

> You on the other

> hand have been maintained by the BBT for the last 18 years while at the

> same time receiving money from the Swedish

> government as a refugee from Yugoslavia.

 

False. I even don't have a refugee status nor I ever had it,

because I've never been a refugee from Yugoslavia, neither

actually nor officially. But, again, what do you know.

Somebody did tell you a lie, and you keep telling it to

others.

I wasn't in the BBT "last 18 years", but 12.

It is hilarious to say that someone is "in the same time" (for

18 years!) receiving a money as a refugee from Yu. But it

is Jahnu who is telling "facts" about another person to the

world, so it all makes sense.

 

 

But yes, you can keep receiving the social money from the

government all the time, you are the one declaring yourself

to be a full time ISCKON member, aren't you? Be proud of it.

 

 

 

> That was a private statement which I blurted out

> in the heat of the moment because I felt deeply offended by you,

> and because I felt you were such a dishonest hypocrite.

 

Yes, when one abuses, he always makes for himself a good

justification for doing it. I really belive you. That doesn't

mean, however, that you may go on as freely as you like. I feel

sorry, but in the same time I don't compromise on these. Notice

that at the moment you are on the march against several persons

here. And there was no kind of "plot" aginst you. Don't get paranoic,

so you will spare people from your abuse. It's up to state of your

conciousness.

 

If you have had the moments that you felt deeply offended by

me and you "felt I were such a dishonest hypocrite", I would

expect that to be pointed out, not to go chauvinistic abuses

(you just confirmed your chauvinistic emotions again: "Why do

you think I live out in nowhere up in Sweden - even though I'm

Danish and hate the puffed up Swedes").

 

And notice, you got in the same time several persons here lining

down with your extremely abusive and insulting words.

 

 

 

 

- mnd

[Guest guest]

> I don't understand why Mahaniddhi sends my private letters to him in a

> public conference.

 

You mean, your private abuses.

 

I explained already. At the moment I see no other way to try to

stop you, but make it public. I know that you are doing it to

other devotees also. You think you got a right for a privacy when

sending vulgar and abusive messages to other people? Well, you

are wrong. The abuses, at one point always go public, don't

be in such illusion. So better to make it sooner than later.

 

 

 

> Mahanidhi is

> such a coward that he has to post what I say to him privately

 

Yes.

 

Personally, I will have it as my policy to make it publicly

known *any* abusive or threatening "private letter" that I

might be receiving from anybody. I will not be swallowing

it "privately", but will share with everybody. I don't want

to get a cancer in my stomach. Thanks. I prefer to be a coward.

 

Now expect that some your "private letters" might go public.

Now think twice before you send anything of a kind to someone.

Think like it is the public who is witnessing what you do to

others in "private" (since Krsna as a witness doesn't help nor

mean to you just anything, apparently).

 

 

 

 

- mnd

[Guest guest]

>

> Is that the point?? Excuse me, what's the point of that? What are you

> trying to say? That we shouldn't follow Srila Prabhupada's instructions

> because then we become child-abusers, is that what

> you are saying?

 

What else I could be "trying to say", Jahnu? More crazy than that

can't be, so give it the first place on your scale of possibilities.

 

 

Can it be more clear to say that even millions of people who

have never heard for Prabhupada's name and his instructions,

still are quite capable of not sinking to the level of raping

the "offspring"? Elks are, for example, capable.

 

Prabhupada often stated that the temples are not for crazy and

mentally disoriented people. That's where it begins "to follow

Prabhupada's instructions". From some sane platform. Let's be

more keen on how to detect this perverseness and craziness, and

then eliminate it from the rest of the society. Not some vague

"we failed to follow Prabhupada's instructions, therefore child

abuses". Yes, you are actually right, I agree. The instruction

to not let mad and perversive people operate in the society is

that one instruction that wasn't properly followed, and still is

not properly followed. We can agree on something, after all,

can't we?

 

 

 

- mnd

[Guest guest]

> Prabhupada often stated that the temples are not for crazy and

> mentally disoriented people. That's where it begins "to follow

> Prabhupada's instructions". From some sane platform. Let's be

> more keen on how to detect this perverseness and craziness, and

> then eliminate it from the rest of the society.

 

I agree completely. We should be more keen to eliminate the

child-abuse.

 

> Not some vague

> "we failed to follow Prabhupada's instructions, therefore child

> abuses". Yes, you are actually right, I agree. The instruction

> to not let mad and perversive people operate in the society is

> that one instruction that wasn't properly followed, and still

> is

> not properly followed. We can agree on something, after all,

> can't we?

 

Yes, we can.

 

Ys, Jahnu das

[Guest guest]

> Personally, I will have it as my policy to make it publicly

> known *any* abusive or threatening "private letter" that I

> might be receiving from

 

There was nothing threatening in that letter, and you know it. I

blurted it out because I got too angry. It was false ego. I admit

it. I apologize deeply. I regret that I said it. I didn't mean to

offend your whole family. But this is not the issue, you are just

trying to sidestep the issue, by presenting yourself as someone

who has been deeply offended without a reaon by some sinister,

fanatical cult-member, who is only out to put people down. That

is far from the truth. You should also stop venting your personal

frustrations on me. If you are honest with yourself you will see

that you have been doing that.

 

-Jahnu

[Guest guest]

> I apologize deeply. I regret that I said it.

 

Thank you.

 

 

- mnd

[Guest guest]

> Prabhupada often stated that the temples are not for crazy and

> mentally disoriented people. That's where it begins "to follow

> Prabhupada's instructions". From some sane platform. Let's be

> more keen on how to detect this perverseness and craziness, and

> then eliminate it from the rest of the society. Not some vague

> "we failed to follow Prabhupada's instructions, therefore child

> abuses". Yes, you are actually right, I agree. The instruction

> to not let mad and perversive people operate in the society is

> that one instruction that wasn't properly followed, and still is

> not properly followed. We can agree on something, after all,

> can't we?

>

>

>

> - mnd

 

Thank you Mahanidhi Prabhu.This is the best point so far I heard, concerning

Srila Prabhupada's instructions, relating to gurukula abuse case.

 

Y.s. Janaka das

[Guest guest]

Whew! Getting a little hot in here isn't it?

[Guest guest]

"COM: Srirama (das) ACBSP" wrote:

 

> [Text 2748291 from COM]

>

> Whew! Getting a little hot in here isn't it?

 

No kidding. There is an old earth culture custom, pre dating

psychiatry, which may be appropriate to discuss here as we approach

Govardhana puja aka go puja, the worship of the earth.

 

Go out into a remote place and find or dig a hole in the ground, at

least big enough to fit your head in. Then, laying on the ground, with

out restraint, scream, yell, curse, all your frustrations and anger

as loud and as long as you can.

 

The earth is your mother, and she is very absorbing and forgiving.

Much more so then the participants of this conference, so she can

absorb all that pent up stuff that so obviously needs to be vented.

Also, no need to worry about being quoted out of context.

 

It works, believe it or not.

 

Lord Krsna also did not distinguish His real mother from His

stepmothers, and He equally offered His obeisances unto all the wives of

Vasudeva present on the occasion. According to scriptures also, there

are seven mothers: (1) the real mother, (2) the wife of the spiritual

master, (3) the wife of a brahmana, (4) the wife of the king, (5) the

cow, (6) the nurse, and (7) the earth. All of them are mothers. Even by

this injunction of the sastras, the stepmother, who is the wife of the

father, is also as good as the mother because the father is also one of

the spiritual masters. Lord Krsna, the Lord of the universe, plays the

part of an ideal son just to teach others how to treat their

stepmothers.

 

>>> Ref. VedaBase => SB 1.11.28